ᐅ Floor plan of a new build gable roof house, 145 sqm (approx. 1,560 sq ft), 9 x 11.5 meters, shortly before submitting the building permit application.
Created on: 11 Jan 2021 16:09
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FionaWTHello,
we are planning a new build on our 558 sqm (6005 sq ft) plot (new development area, neighboring buildings unknown).
Unfortunately, the plot shape is not ideal; it is trapezoidal. According to the development plan (building permit / planning permission), we have to set back 5 m (16 ft) from the street, which would leave us with a building area only 8.74 m (29 ft) wide. We have now planned a width of 9 m (30 ft) and therefore set back a total of 7.76 m (25.5 ft) from the street. We actually find this too far back, but we could not fit the floor plan otherwise.
The planned building volume is 9 x 11.5 m (30 x 38 ft). We are concerned that the hallway and kitchen might still be too narrow and long.
We would also like larger children's rooms but are unsure how to make that work.
We would appreciate ideas and suggestions for our planning as we are building for the first time and are sure we are overlooking some things.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 558 sqm (6005 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors
Edge development: garage and parking spaces
Number of parking spaces: 2 per dwelling unit
Number of floors: 1.5 stories
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: southeast garden, main entrance on west side
Maximum heights / limits: eaves height 5.20 m (17 ft), ridge height 9.50 m (31 ft)
Client Requirements
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor with knee wall 1.50 m (5 ft)
Number of people, ages: two adults (37 and 31 years), two toddlers (3 and 1 years old)
Room requirements on ground floor: cloakroom, WC with shower, open kitchen-dining-living area
Room requirements on upper floor: bedroom, walk-in closet, bathroom, two children’s rooms
Room requirements in basement: utility room, storage room, fitness room (basement higher than usual), office/guest room
Office: family use or home office?: office in basement for occasional home office use
Guests per year: 1-2 (sofa bed in office)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island
Number of dining seats: 4-6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why some things are preferred or not:
Main entrance should face the street; entrance on north side would be possible but due to building line only 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors and in driveway to garage, all maybe a bit tight
House Design
Designer: own design, revised and drawn by general contractor
What do you particularly like? Why?: kitchen facing the street desired, open kitchen-living-dining area very much liked, large cloakroom desired, lots of window area desired, kitchen definitely with island
What do you not like? Why?: long hallway is not ideal, kitchen and hallway too narrow due to the narrow building area at the front
Price estimate by builder: 440,000 € without land and garage (fixed price), of course also without exterior work
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 500,000 € without exterior work, land and garage
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on certain details / expansions
- can give up: fireplace, roof windows, bay windows
- cannot give up: corner glazing, wooden floors throughout except bathroom
Why did the design turn out this way?
adapted to the plot, kitchen should face the street, dining and living rooms to the garden
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is the hallway too long and the passage by the stairs to the kitchen/dining area too narrow?
Is the kitchen and dining area too long and narrow? Is the living room too small?
The kitchen could be wider if the stair landing is omitted, but then cloakroom and WC become narrower.
Are the children’s rooms too small and is there enough window space there?
we are planning a new build on our 558 sqm (6005 sq ft) plot (new development area, neighboring buildings unknown).
Unfortunately, the plot shape is not ideal; it is trapezoidal. According to the development plan (building permit / planning permission), we have to set back 5 m (16 ft) from the street, which would leave us with a building area only 8.74 m (29 ft) wide. We have now planned a width of 9 m (30 ft) and therefore set back a total of 7.76 m (25.5 ft) from the street. We actually find this too far back, but we could not fit the floor plan otherwise.
The planned building volume is 9 x 11.5 m (30 x 38 ft). We are concerned that the hallway and kitchen might still be too narrow and long.
We would also like larger children's rooms but are unsure how to make that work.
We would appreciate ideas and suggestions for our planning as we are building for the first time and are sure we are overlooking some things.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 558 sqm (6005 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.4
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) to the street, 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors
Edge development: garage and parking spaces
Number of parking spaces: 2 per dwelling unit
Number of floors: 1.5 stories
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern
Orientation: southeast garden, main entrance on west side
Maximum heights / limits: eaves height 5.20 m (17 ft), ridge height 9.50 m (31 ft)
Client Requirements
Basement, floors: basement, ground floor, upper floor with knee wall 1.50 m (5 ft)
Number of people, ages: two adults (37 and 31 years), two toddlers (3 and 1 years old)
Room requirements on ground floor: cloakroom, WC with shower, open kitchen-dining-living area
Room requirements on upper floor: bedroom, walk-in closet, bathroom, two children’s rooms
Room requirements in basement: utility room, storage room, fitness room (basement higher than usual), office/guest room
Office: family use or home office?: office in basement for occasional home office use
Guests per year: 1-2 (sofa bed in office)
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island
Number of dining seats: 4-6
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why some things are preferred or not:
Main entrance should face the street; entrance on north side would be possible but due to building line only 3 m (10 ft) to neighbors and in driveway to garage, all maybe a bit tight
House Design
Designer: own design, revised and drawn by general contractor
What do you particularly like? Why?: kitchen facing the street desired, open kitchen-living-dining area very much liked, large cloakroom desired, lots of window area desired, kitchen definitely with island
What do you not like? Why?: long hallway is not ideal, kitchen and hallway too narrow due to the narrow building area at the front
Price estimate by builder: 440,000 € without land and garage (fixed price), of course also without exterior work
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 500,000 € without exterior work, land and garage
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you had to give up on certain details / expansions
- can give up: fireplace, roof windows, bay windows
- cannot give up: corner glazing, wooden floors throughout except bathroom
Why did the design turn out this way?
adapted to the plot, kitchen should face the street, dining and living rooms to the garden
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Is the hallway too long and the passage by the stairs to the kitchen/dining area too narrow?
Is the kitchen and dining area too long and narrow? Is the living room too small?
The kitchen could be wider if the stair landing is omitted, but then cloakroom and WC become narrower.
Are the children’s rooms too small and is there enough window space there?
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pagoni202011 Jan 2021 17:11So......basically, I really like your floor plan and, in my opinion, it only needs a few adjustments. I’ve usually seen less interesting plans from general contractors. You should definitely mark the actual furniture dimensions. I find that particularly important for the dining room but also for the living room, to check whether you actually want to arrange and use the space like that.
I would probably tweak the windows a bit depending on my lifestyle. Maybe I would shorten the living room wall slightly and move the TV further into the corner, because as it is drawn now at an angle, you probably wouldn’t watch TV like that anyway. I would also decide based on this whether I want a glass wall behind the sofa or if I would prefer to swap something; for example, the dining area could be mostly glazed facing the living room and the living room might have less glass/sunlight or maybe no floor-to-ceiling window so the sofa can be placed against the wall.
Maybe the kitchen wall facing the hallway could be a bit shorter… hmm… although without a pantry, you will need storage space. I don’t see any awkward narrow passages at the moment.
In my opinion, the kitchen is large enough at 15sqm (160 sq ft), and depending on your space requirements, you can still vary the windows and countertop areas. Where the sliding element is currently drawn on the lower side of the plan, I would place a large side-by-side fridge/freezer and move the windows elsewhere. But these are just details that depend on personal taste and needs. I like glass and natural light, but maybe having a bit more wall space here wouldn’t hurt for furniture placement and overall design.
In the basement, I would at least include a toilet… who knows what life will bring. Most likely, that room will become a teenager’s room or something similar eventually, and then it’s good to have water and sewage connections ready.
I also find the upper floor basically well done, although I would like to have about 60cm (24 inches) of space behind the bedroom door for a wardrobe or something similar, if possible. The children’s rooms are definitely not too small; 15sqm (160 sq ft) is great. I can’t see the exact window width, but I would probably avoid floor-to-ceiling windows there because kids and teenagers move furniture around as they get older. In that case, wider windows, maybe double-wing ones with around 160cm (63 inches), would be better.
I like the dressing room less; such a small room with a door feels cramped. I would prefer an open solution or simply assign that space to the bedroom. Then, you probably wouldn’t need the skylight either. If I’m estimating correctly, there are currently 9m (30 feet) of wardrobes planned between the bedroom and dressing room? I would adjust that to my own lifestyle.
The bathroom looks nice as it is, of course you could design it differently, and you could even save 2–3sqm (20–30 sq ft) if necessary.
I think it will be a beautiful house. The floor plan feels very good and flowing to me.
I would probably tweak the windows a bit depending on my lifestyle. Maybe I would shorten the living room wall slightly and move the TV further into the corner, because as it is drawn now at an angle, you probably wouldn’t watch TV like that anyway. I would also decide based on this whether I want a glass wall behind the sofa or if I would prefer to swap something; for example, the dining area could be mostly glazed facing the living room and the living room might have less glass/sunlight or maybe no floor-to-ceiling window so the sofa can be placed against the wall.
Maybe the kitchen wall facing the hallway could be a bit shorter… hmm… although without a pantry, you will need storage space. I don’t see any awkward narrow passages at the moment.
In my opinion, the kitchen is large enough at 15sqm (160 sq ft), and depending on your space requirements, you can still vary the windows and countertop areas. Where the sliding element is currently drawn on the lower side of the plan, I would place a large side-by-side fridge/freezer and move the windows elsewhere. But these are just details that depend on personal taste and needs. I like glass and natural light, but maybe having a bit more wall space here wouldn’t hurt for furniture placement and overall design.
In the basement, I would at least include a toilet… who knows what life will bring. Most likely, that room will become a teenager’s room or something similar eventually, and then it’s good to have water and sewage connections ready.
I also find the upper floor basically well done, although I would like to have about 60cm (24 inches) of space behind the bedroom door for a wardrobe or something similar, if possible. The children’s rooms are definitely not too small; 15sqm (160 sq ft) is great. I can’t see the exact window width, but I would probably avoid floor-to-ceiling windows there because kids and teenagers move furniture around as they get older. In that case, wider windows, maybe double-wing ones with around 160cm (63 inches), would be better.
I like the dressing room less; such a small room with a door feels cramped. I would prefer an open solution or simply assign that space to the bedroom. Then, you probably wouldn’t need the skylight either. If I’m estimating correctly, there are currently 9m (30 feet) of wardrobes planned between the bedroom and dressing room? I would adjust that to my own lifestyle.
The bathroom looks nice as it is, of course you could design it differently, and you could even save 2–3sqm (20–30 sq ft) if necessary.
I think it will be a beautiful house. The floor plan feels very good and flowing to me.
FionaWT schrieb:
Unfortunately, the plot is not ideally shaped; it is trapezoidal. According to the building regulations, we have to set the building back 5 m (16 feet) from the street, which would leave our building area only 8.74 m (29 feet) wide. We have now planned a width of 9 m (30 feet) and are therefore setting back a total of 7.76 m (25.5 feet) from the street. We actually think that is too far back, but otherwise the floor plan does not work. Well, I would definitely adjust the floor plan rather than the position.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
The floor plan seems fluid to me. I suspect a "creation" of speech recognition :-)
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pagoni202011 Jan 2021 17:3911ant schrieb:
I suspect a "work" of speech "recognition" 🙂No, more like the language style of a hermit. Ok, other suggestions as alternatives: "like," "practical," "well-proportioned," "coherent"... just my insignificant impression. In short: With a floor plan like this and the related family situation, I could feel comfortable. So ok, it’s good already, I expect justified criticism... I like it this way, think it’s really great, awesome man
I can’t share the same enthusiasm entirely.
If you don’t want to be too far from the street, I would consciously plan for a narrower house—just longer instead. There are really good examples of this. However, the layout won’t correspond to the usual standard as with the house you are currently planning. Make sure to explore whether this might suit you.
I remember a dream house (BR TV, probably still available in the media library) where a very narrow house was planned on a property in Munich. If I recall correctly, the house was only 6m (20 feet) wide but designed very cleverly. Definitely worth checking out! On the BR website, you can usually also find the floor plans of the houses featured.
Another option would be to plan a narrow building at the front and widen the house toward one side at the back, creating a subtle L-shaped floor plan.
I will never understand why someone would build a cookie-cutter house designed for a classic rectangular plot but not for a uniquely shaped lot, then wonder why the design is just so-so and doesn’t really fit.
If I’m seeing this right, the master bedroom is on the south side, but Child 1’s room is in the northwest. I never find that a good solution. That can be swapped.
The two angled doors are remnants from the 1980s (that was stylish back then!), but here I don’t see a reasonable architectural justification for this flaw.
The doors are planned at 76cm (bathroom) and 88cm (bedroom) wide, but 217cm high—do you really want that? Those are tiny narrow openings. I would always plan at least 1m (3 feet 3 inches) for a door. Otherwise, the height looks somehow disproportionate.
The walk-in closet also doesn’t make sense as planned. Please note: with more than 21sqm (226 sq ft) total for bedroom and walk-in closet, the bedroom itself seems too large in my opinion, as it’s only for sleeping, and the closet space ends up tight. Then you also plan another wardrobe in the bedroom—which is a total planning mistake.
If the building shell is to remain as is, I would move the bedroom to where Child 1 currently is, place the walk-in closet in front of it, accessed through it. Make the bedroom smaller, the closet bigger, and move all wardrobes to the walk-in closet.
Why is the garage so far back? Do you enjoy shoveling snow in winter? If the building plan allows, I would move it forward and instead plan a parking space in front of the house (you have to be at least 5m (16 feet) from the street anyway).
Are you allowed to plan a parking space in front of the garage? Where we live, that wouldn’t be approved—each parking space, whether garage or parking spot, must be freely accessible. Parking spots one behind the other are not permitted. Not all municipalities require this, but you should definitely check beforehand.
Kitchen facing the street: Why? I’ve always preferred the kitchen near the terrace—it just makes more sense to me.
If you don’t want to be too far from the street, I would consciously plan for a narrower house—just longer instead. There are really good examples of this. However, the layout won’t correspond to the usual standard as with the house you are currently planning. Make sure to explore whether this might suit you.
I remember a dream house (BR TV, probably still available in the media library) where a very narrow house was planned on a property in Munich. If I recall correctly, the house was only 6m (20 feet) wide but designed very cleverly. Definitely worth checking out! On the BR website, you can usually also find the floor plans of the houses featured.
Another option would be to plan a narrow building at the front and widen the house toward one side at the back, creating a subtle L-shaped floor plan.
I will never understand why someone would build a cookie-cutter house designed for a classic rectangular plot but not for a uniquely shaped lot, then wonder why the design is just so-so and doesn’t really fit.
If I’m seeing this right, the master bedroom is on the south side, but Child 1’s room is in the northwest. I never find that a good solution. That can be swapped.
The two angled doors are remnants from the 1980s (that was stylish back then!), but here I don’t see a reasonable architectural justification for this flaw.
The doors are planned at 76cm (bathroom) and 88cm (bedroom) wide, but 217cm high—do you really want that? Those are tiny narrow openings. I would always plan at least 1m (3 feet 3 inches) for a door. Otherwise, the height looks somehow disproportionate.
The walk-in closet also doesn’t make sense as planned. Please note: with more than 21sqm (226 sq ft) total for bedroom and walk-in closet, the bedroom itself seems too large in my opinion, as it’s only for sleeping, and the closet space ends up tight. Then you also plan another wardrobe in the bedroom—which is a total planning mistake.
If the building shell is to remain as is, I would move the bedroom to where Child 1 currently is, place the walk-in closet in front of it, accessed through it. Make the bedroom smaller, the closet bigger, and move all wardrobes to the walk-in closet.
Why is the garage so far back? Do you enjoy shoveling snow in winter? If the building plan allows, I would move it forward and instead plan a parking space in front of the house (you have to be at least 5m (16 feet) from the street anyway).
Are you allowed to plan a parking space in front of the garage? Where we live, that wouldn’t be approved—each parking space, whether garage or parking spot, must be freely accessible. Parking spots one behind the other are not permitted. Not all municipalities require this, but you should definitely check beforehand.
Kitchen facing the street: Why? I’ve always preferred the kitchen near the terrace—it just makes more sense to me.
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