ᐅ Floor Plan Optimization for a Single-Family Home of Approximately 150 sqm on a Small Plot

Created on: 18 Aug 2020 20:31
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Yaso2.0
Hello everyone,

After what felt like forever, we finally received the floor plan (without exact dimensions) today from our preferred general contractor. Although the planner noted our requests during the meeting, some of them don’t seem to have been fully incorporated.

The price offer will be prepared once the floor plan is finalized, especially if the size increases.

I would like to share the floor plan with you and hear your suggestions for improvements!

Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 389sqm (4187 sq ft)
Sloping site
Site coverage ratio 0.35
Floor area ratio 0.70
Building envelope, building line, and boundary
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type
Architectural style
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits
Additional requirements

Client requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type: City villa
Basement, number of stories: 2 stories, no basement
Number of occupants, ages: 3 persons (44, 38, 9)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Kitchen, living room, guest WC, utility room, and if possible, a small office
Office: family use or home office?
Guests for overnight stays vary widely
Open or closed architecture partly/partly
Conservative or modern style: a healthy mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: semi-open kitchen, kitchen island not mandatory
Number of dining seats: 6–8
Fireplace: possibly
Music / stereo wall
Balcony, roof terrace
Garage, carport
Utility garden, greenhouse, garden for pleasant evenings
Additional wishes / special features / daily routines, including reasons why certain elements are wanted or not

We want a larger but semi-open kitchen because I cook and/or bake daily. A pantry would be great but I would also give it up if it means more counter space in the kitchen.

Ideally, I would like a laundry room on the upper floor since all the laundry tasks happen upstairs.

House design
Planner:
- Planner from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why? Pantry room,
In the upper floor, the bedroom does not directly adjoin the children’s rooms
What do you dislike? Why?
Kitchen accessible only through the living room, hallway seems like wasted space??, kitchen counter size too small,
Cost estimate by architect/planner: still open, to follow after floor plan and house size are finalized
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures and fittings:
Preferred heating system:

If you had to compromise, on which details / additions
- Could you do without: walk-in closet
- Could you not do without: “larger” kitchen

Why is the design the way it is now?
The general contractor’s planner asked about our preferences and created the floor plan accordingly. Apparently, an office didn’t fit. The requirement was that we ideally don’t want more than 150sqm (1615 sq ft), a kitchen size of at least 13sqm (140 sq ft) would be nice, and if possible, no straight staircase.

What makes it particularly good or bad in your eyes?
The hallway seems to take up too much space without much utility, the kitchen feels too small.

The walk-in closet is “enclosed” and should be accessible via the corridor.

We like that the children’s rooms are exactly the same size. The future child planning is currently flexible.

What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
How can we make the kitchen accessible through the hallway and semi-open, without making it too small?

Would a different staircase allow for a better layout?
Or are our wishes not feasible within 150sqm?

Thanks in advance!

Ground floor plan: open living/dining/kitchen area, hallway, pantry, utility room, WC, carport.


Upper floor plan: Child 1, Child 2, bedroom/walk-in closet, bathroom, gallery.


Site plan of the property: house with carport, car, measurement lines and dimensions.
Pinky03017 Sep 2020 16:17
I don't think you would hear the toilet or what happens there from the kitchen. The flush tank usually isn't built into the wall but installed in front of it, within the installation wall. So, you have the normal wall as a buffer. If it's drywall, there's even insulation in between. Plus, the kitchen cabinets.
Yaso2.0 schrieb:

The utility room will have a washer and dryer
Ah, okay, then everything is fine. I had misunderstood your washer and dryer in the bathroom plan.
Yaso2.0 schrieb:

The kitchen island measures 140 x 100
For me, the advantage of a kitchen island is that you can work on it from several sides and that it has an extra-deep countertop. My calculation: 140cm (55 inches) minus an 80/90cm (31/35 inches) cooktop leaves 60/50cm (24/20 inches), meaning you have about 30cm (12 inches) on each side of the cooktop at best. That would be too little space for chopping or similar tasks. On the short side of the island, where several people could work nicely from three sides, you have 100cm (39 inches) width but only 30cm (12 inches) depth. Although there is no cooktop on the back side, this also limits the depth there, leaving about 40cm (16 inches), so again, not much space for rolling out cookie or pizza dough.
Personally, I also don’t like it when the sink and cooktop are separated, as that’s inconvenient for tasks like draining pasta.
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Shiny86
7 Sep 2020 16:26
The idea of having a tiled shower with the toilet right next to it doesn’t work.
There is no entrance left for the shower.
You took my bathroom layout.
I have nearly 3 meters (10 feet) along the wall for the shower and toilet, but you only have 2.4 meters (7 feet 10 inches). That already makes a big difference.
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chrisw81
7 Sep 2020 16:46
Shiny86 schrieb:

The tiled shower and the toilet next to it don’t work together.
There’s no longer an entrance to the shower.
You used my bathroom layout.
I have almost 3 meters (10 feet) of wall for the shower and toilet, but you only have 2.4 meters (7 feet 10 inches). That makes a difference.

Isn’t 2.4 meters (7 feet 10 inches) still enough space?
Yaso2.07 Sep 2020 16:48
11ant schrieb:

The floor plan: sure, remodeling the bathroom definitely has more potential. But the facades: “it can always get worse” seems impressively proven here.
I’ll repeat two key pieces of advice: 1. Dare to break free from the box. 2. Don’t plan from the outside in.

I have already broken free from the constraints of the box, really! However, it seems to be so common that I keep getting square plans from every general contractor and the architect.

If you have any floor plan recommendations from any provider, I’d be happy to hear them.

I’m truly open to everything, both the stairs and the house shape.
Pinky0301 schrieb:

I don’t think you would hear the toilet or what’s going on there from the kitchen. The flush tank usually isn’t built into the wall but placed in front of the installation wall. So you have a normal room wall acting as a buffer. If it’s drywall construction, there will even be insulation in between. Plus the kitchen cabinets.

Oh, then everything is fine. I had misread your WC in the bathroom plan.

For me, the advantage of a kitchen island is the ability to work from multiple sides and the extra-deep countertop. Here’s my calculation: 140cm (55 inches) – 80/90cm (31/35 inches) cooktop = 60/50cm (24/20 inches), meaning you have about 30cm (12 inches) to the left and right of the cooktop at best. That’s too little space for chopping or similar tasks. On the short side of the island where several people could work from three sides, you have 100cm (39 inches) width but only 30cm (12 inches) depth. The backside doesn’t have a cooktop either, but that also limits the depth leaving about 40cm (16 inches). So again, not much room for rolling out cookie or pizza dough.
Personally, I also don’t like having the sink and cooktop separated because it’s inconvenient for tasks like draining pasta.

I could rotate the island and extend it when placing it next to the countertop. Or how else would you solve that?
Shiny86 schrieb:

The combination of a built-in shower and the toilet next to it doesn’t work.
There’s no entrance left to the shower.
You took my bathroom layout.
I have almost 3m (10 feet) on the wall for shower + toilet, you only have 2.4m (7 feet 10 inches). That makes a difference.

That’s how the architect drew it, and she said there would be an 80cm (31 inches) passage.

But I’m already looking for alternatives.
11ant7 Sep 2020 16:56
Yaso2.0 schrieb:

I have already freed myself from the constraints of the square, really! However, it seems to be so popular that every general contractor and the architect plan squares for me.
For the bathroom, you also found where a roll of graph paper was left. Now do the same for the entire house. Then show the architect how an irregular rectangle works.
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Yaso2.07 Sep 2020 17:48
11ant schrieb:

For the bathroom, you also found where a roll of graph paper was left. Now do the same for the entire house. Then show the architect how an irregular rectangle works.


Yes, but as a user recently said, “slave to drawing.” She will definitely ask me what dimensions I want instead of suggesting any herself — very exhausting overall. I think after 7 months, I’m slowly losing faith that anything will come of this...