ᐅ Single-family home, approximately 160 m², Bauhaus style; first design draft based on our requirements
Created on: 23 Aug 2019 22:03
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Notstrom
Hello everyone,
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
we've been looking forward to this for a long time, and now we can finally share our first draft floor plan/design for discussion. We’re very curious to hear your feedback.
Those of you who have seen my thread before (https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/efh-Bauhausstil-Wohnfläche-180m-mit-Doppelgarage.31853/) know what to expect, and here comes the gem.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 530m² (about 5,700 sq ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio (Grundflächenzahl): see screenshot
Floor area ratio (Geschossflächenzahl): see screenshot
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries: see screenshot
Edge development: see screenshot
Number of parking spaces: double garage
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: flat roof
Architectural style: Bauhaus
Orientation
Maximum height/limitations
Other requirements
The green highlighted area represents our plot => Parcel 8479
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type: Bauhaus style, flat roof
Basement, floors: Basement yes, ground floor, upper floor
Number of residents, ages: 3 people, potentially 4: 33, 30, 2 years old
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Initially planned 180 m² (about 1,940 sq ft) on two stories, now reduced to 160 m² (about 1,720 sq ft) after feedback, with the ground floor slightly larger than the upper floor, around 75–85 m² (810–915 sq ft)
Office: Family use or home office? Yes, in the basement (guest room <-> office)
Overnight guests per year: Hard to say, probably about 10 times per year with 2–5 guests each time
Open or closed architecture: Rather open
Conservative or modern construction: Rather modern
Open kitchen, cooking island: Island
Number of dining spaces: 1
Fireplace: Yes
Music/sound system wall: Our soundbar is sufficient
Balcony, roof terrace: Maybe, undecided (Architect’s comment: How often do you really go out for a beer on the balcony/roof terrace instead of the nice terrace on the ground floor?)
Garage, carport: Double garage, possibly single garage with carport
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: Small but nice (a few tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchinis…)
House Design
Planning by: Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? We like the architecture with the two offset rectangles, though we wonder if the extra cost (no price estimate yet) justifies this. We believe it is structurally more challenging than a simple "cube."
What don’t you like? Why? The size of the bedroom/walk-in closet/children’s room. It feels like the bedroom is missing 2–5 m² (about 20–55 sq ft), as is the second children’s room.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: The initial draft was around 550,000 EUR
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 620,000 EUR
Preferred heating technology: Indifferent, but tendency toward heat pump.
If you had to give up something, which details/finishes
- You can give up: the current shape (nice but a cube would also do)
- You cannot give up: space
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Standard design from the planner? This is the second design resulting from last week’s discussion with us, and we find it very successful.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Absolutely, plus the idea he had to move the kitchen during development. The guest room has now moved to the basement, allowing more space on the ground floor (beforehand, it felt quite cramped and “squeezed”).
What makes it especially good or bad in your opinion? The architecture
...and now I’ll leave you alone with our house
Upper floor plan:
Basement:
ypg schrieb:
Personally, I would move the kitchen door further forward toward the entrance, have only one door in the bedroom, and swap the bathtub and sink in the bathroom. I’d place the sink against the wall adjoining the bedroom and make it nice and long.Further forward? They’ve already moved it forward today.
If we move it any further, we won’t be able to realize the kitchen built-in cupboards the way we want.
Regarding swapping the bathtub and sink: Then we’d have to install the water pipes in the wall adjoining the bedroom—wouldn’t that be noisy? The architect said today he wouldn’t implement it because of this issue.
matte1987 schrieb:
Why don’t you access the bedroom from the walk-in closet? That’s much more practical…I’m bothered by the imaginary unpleasant view of entering a closet when going into the bedroom... Of course, maybe I’m just imagining it.
Ibdk14 schrieb:
I like the ground floor as is. On the upper floor, I would seriously consider giving the second child a bit of a balcony. That might cause some arguments, though — if a second child is even planned and you don’t use the room differently.
I would probably swap the sink and bathtub because of natural light; having light at the washbasin is really useful and more necessary than at the bathtub. The walk-in closet access has already been mentioned. I would also prefer it over accessing it through the bedroom. But I guess that’s a matter of taste. Otherwise, I really like the layout.We’ve also considered a balcony for bedroom 2 — since it would adjoin the garage, that could be a possible idea. However, extending the balcony over the terrace doesn’t appeal to us, as it would reduce the light even more.
I agree about the need for light at the washbasin: Is the issue of acoustics or noise in the wall adjoining the bedroom insignificant?
We’ll revisit the topic of the walk-in closet. That seems valid regarding walking distances.
DASI90 schrieb:
Apparently I missed quite a bit. By now, you’ve switched to a hip roof?
I find it less practical to access the bedroom through the walk-in closet and would probably have done it as the original poster did. I also really like the room layout and sizes on the upper floor. However, as I’ve mentioned several times, I would have left the hallway open on the ground floor if possible.
Another thing I don’t quite understand is why you are saving on ceiling heights with about 2.5 m (8 ft 3 in) on the ground floor and 2.23 m (7 ft 4 in) in the basement? If I read it correctly, you still have 1.1 m (3 ft 7 in) of airspace according to the building regulations that you could use, right?We actually switched from a flat roof to a hip roof.
We don’t want an open hallway because of acoustics. It would be very noisy with visitors, etc., in that narrow space.
We really maximized the ceiling heights (eave height max 154.34 m (505 ft 7 in), project eave height: 154.34 m (505 ft 7 in)).
Ground floor: 2.52 m (8 ft 3 in)
Upper floor: 2.55 m (8 ft 4 in)
j.bautsch schrieb:
So, quickly marked the walking routes for both variants:
blue = coming in at night
purple = going to bed after undressing
red = grabbing clothes in the morning
pink = leaving in the morning
Hope the walking routes are clear and how often you disturb a partner who is already or still sleeping with one or the other variant
Thanks, that’s very easy to remember!
Matthew03 schrieb:
Too bad you’re still locking up the walk-in closet... wasn’t our input clear here, or is it a deliberate choice no matter what arguments are made? Then we don’t need to discuss it further.I think it’s a bit of both...
Notstrom schrieb:
Move it even further forward? They already moved it forward today.Yes! Remove the corner of the kitchen and install the door right there. The kitchen is often the first stop; only after that do you take off your jacket.
Notstrom schrieb:
If we move it further forward, we won't be able to design the kitchen built-in cabinets the way we want.They can connect later.
Notstrom schrieb:
The architect also said today that he wouldn’t implement it because of that issue. Oh… okay.ypg schrieb:
Yes! Remove the corner of the kitchen and place the door right there. The kitchen is often the first place people go, with the coat coming off afterward.
They can connect afterward.
Oh... okay. Not like that? I’m not sure and will rely on the expert’s assessment for now. It sounded reasonable to me, but from your comment, I read some irony.
Notstrom schrieb:
We are currently very satisfied... we will try to take some distance and, if necessary, keep checking back over the weekend. Taking some distance is always a good idea—ideally from all three: a) your personal attachment to the design, b) encouraging comments, and c) worrying comments. Because a) you will actually have to live there, and b/c) it’s not us but you. Before stepping back, take a deep breath of constructive feedback (like the circulation layout presented by @j.bautsch)—then you’ll succeed!
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Pinky0301 schrieb:
Why does any of the children's rooms even have a balcony?Well, the idea is to make use of the roof of the balcony.Similar topics