Hello everyone,
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
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What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
ypg schrieb:
If I say that the plot is not easy, I am understated.
Maybe this is an approach?
kbt09 schrieb:
I continued with the approach from the floor plan adjustments.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
The roof structure will actually be simpler – it is opposed by a second load-bearing longitudinal wall, which will hardly exceed ten millimeters (0.4 inches).
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11ant schrieb:
Yvonne’s builder’s flat rate is not universally applicable. That wasn’t the flat rate from my builder (my house is only available in this design), it was a response from a consultant to an inquiry about shed roofs. Anyway…
11ant schrieb:
The roof structure will even be simpler—there is a second load-bearing longitudinal wall opposite it, so it will hardly amount to ten thousand. You should know that.
It’s the third gable and the necessary structural engineering for it. I’m out on the details. And you’re not a structural engineer either, so you wouldn’t necessarily “know better.”
Basically, the situation is clear: if the floor plan requested by the original poster (OP) is placed on the ground floor (GF), this will create a large area that should be designed as a roof and also include some storage and office space.
If this area is to look "nice," it makes sense to have some windows in the masonry walls rather than only roof windows starting at about 100 cm (40 inches) above floor level, which depending on the roof pitch does not create an attractive window area.
The desire to have an office under the roof means that a proper staircase on the GF requires at least 5 to 6 sqm (54 to 65 sq ft), since the circulation area must be included as well. However, I also agree with @Nordlys's recommendation to install a proper staircase, even if the attic is only meant for storage. This certainly simplifies things.
Another practical option would be to locate the building services under the roof.
It might also make sense to plan the children's rooms on the GF a bit smaller and, since the roof space is available, consider an opening in the children's rooms to create a second level. Or to have only one children's room on the GF and a second one in the upper floor or attic, or temporarily move the parents' bedroom upstairs while the children are small, which could later be converted into a guest room after the children move out, with the parents returning to the GF, and so on.
This way, the GF could be designed smaller and the resulting roof space used more efficiently.
The simplest solution for this is probably a gable roof.
A shed roof could work if it starts with a very shallow slope on the south side so that the central wall can have proper windows with a possible sill height from about 100 cm (40 inches). This would make these windows a real asset for the upper floor.
If this area is to look "nice," it makes sense to have some windows in the masonry walls rather than only roof windows starting at about 100 cm (40 inches) above floor level, which depending on the roof pitch does not create an attractive window area.
The desire to have an office under the roof means that a proper staircase on the GF requires at least 5 to 6 sqm (54 to 65 sq ft), since the circulation area must be included as well. However, I also agree with @Nordlys's recommendation to install a proper staircase, even if the attic is only meant for storage. This certainly simplifies things.
Another practical option would be to locate the building services under the roof.
It might also make sense to plan the children's rooms on the GF a bit smaller and, since the roof space is available, consider an opening in the children's rooms to create a second level. Or to have only one children's room on the GF and a second one in the upper floor or attic, or temporarily move the parents' bedroom upstairs while the children are small, which could later be converted into a guest room after the children move out, with the parents returning to the GF, and so on.
This way, the GF could be designed smaller and the resulting roof space used more efficiently.
The simplest solution for this is probably a gable roof.
A shed roof could work if it starts with a very shallow slope on the south side so that the central wall can have proper windows with a possible sill height from about 100 cm (40 inches). This would make these windows a real asset for the upper floor.
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Chrisi190619 Aug 2019 22:10ypg schrieb:
A staggered mono-pitched roof cost an estimated €10,000 more back then. Different roof structure! You need to find your own reason why you want it. kaho674 schrieb:
But that’s a big—what should I say—a mega roof. So the extra cost for the mono-pitched roof is probably huge as well. kbt09 schrieb:
Actually, the following is clear: if the floor plan requested by the original poster (OP) is placed on the ground floor, it creates a large area that somehow needs to be designed as a roof and should include some storage and office space.
If this area is supposed to look “nice,” it makes sense to have windows in the masonry somewhere, not just roof windows starting roughly around 100 cm (40 inches) height, which depending on the roof pitch doesn’t make for a pleasant window surface.
The desire to have an office under the roof means the ground floor needs at least 5 to 6 m² (54 to 65 sq ft) for a proper staircase, since circulation space has to be included. However, I also agree strongly with @Nordlys about having a decent staircase, even if the attic is intended only for storage. It definitely simplifies things.
Another sensible option would be to place the building services under the roof.
An equally reasonable option could be not to design the children’s rooms on the ground floor too large, but if there is already a roof space, maybe consider an opening in the children’s rooms with a second level. Or just one children’s room on the ground floor and a second one in the attic, or for the time when the kids are small, the master bedroom could be in the attic and later be converted into a guest room after the children move out, while the parents return to the ground floor, and so on.
This way, the ground floor could potentially be designed smaller and the resulting attic space used efficiently.
The simplest solution for that is definitely a gable roof.
I can imagine a mono-pitched roof shaped so that it starts with a very slight pitch on the south side, allowing the central wall to have proper windows with a possible sill height from about 100 cm (40 inches). This way, those windows would actually be an advantage for the attic. Where would you price a staggered mono-pitched roof? More expensive than a hip roof, the same, or less?
The children’s rooms can also be 14 m² (150 sq ft) if that helps. The house can be half a meter (1.5 feet) wider and 1 meter (3 feet) longer. So for example, 12 x 17 m (39 x 56 ft). It would be quite long again, of course... I didn’t like that at first, but I can deal with it now.
My wife did not want one child’s room in the attic. To be honest, I don’t really see benefits in separating the kids either.
We also don’t like the idea of moving the master bedroom to the attic while the kids are young. My wife said, “then we might as well build a townhouse.”
I know, we’re not leaving you much room to maneuver.
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Chrisi190619 Aug 2019 22:19kaho674 schrieb:
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Which software do you use to create your floor plans? If it’s an AutoCAD drawing, could you send me the latest version? It would be mainly for my father. He wanted to show me what changes he would still make.
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