Hello everyone,
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
ypg schrieb:
If I say that the plot is not easy, I am understated.
Maybe this is an approach?
kbt09 schrieb:
I continued with the approach from the floor plan adjustments.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
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Chrisi190614 Jan 2020 22:32ltenzer schrieb:
I was referring to the floor plan in #267. Isn't that the most recent one? Your entrance is on the northeast side, and the children's rooms in #267 would then be on the northwest side? Or have you now moved the entrance to the northwest side facing the street?That is exactly the most recent one. Yes, my thought was that the entrance would be on the northwest side when using the floor plan.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
That is indeed the most recent version. Yes, my idea was to place the entrance on the northwest side when using the floor plan. Ah, I see, I must have missed the change of the entrance location if it was mentioned somewhere. Personally, I wouldn’t want to give up positioning the kitchen-dining-living area toward the sunny side, but I’m sure you know your priorities better than I do, at least I hope so.
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Chrisi190614 Jan 2020 23:06ltenzer schrieb:
Oh, okay, I missed the fact that the entrance had been moved, if that was mentioned anywhere. Personally, I wouldn’t want to give up arranging the combined kitchen-dining-living area facing the sunny side, but I’m sure you know your priorities better than I do, at least I hope so. I didn’t mention it, I just did it intuitively.
I hadn’t even realized that the living, dining, and kitchen area was so dark. So I think our floor plans are better. In our rental apartment, the living room faces south-southwest with large windows. Even in winter, with good sunlight, it gets very warm and bright in the living room, and you save on heating costs.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
The children's rooms are in the southwest in the latest floor plan. That works just fine.
The office under the roof was included in almost all our floor plans, so I did it that way here too. We would save the staircase, but the office is definitely larger than the stairs. You’re right about the shower in the guest bathroom; it’s tricky. We don’t currently need the shower in the guest bathroom, but maybe when the kids are older? I’m not sure... Right now, my kids are still small. We do everything together anyway. Regarding the bedroom, I wouldn’t want it any smaller. The staircase takes up not only space but also a lot of money, and it limits your options for arranging the rooms since it can’t be completely freely positioned. That’s why, in our example, there is the option to move the kitchen into the living area, remove the partition wall, and turn the old kitchen into an office/guest room. You might then enlarge the storage room a bit so the office doesn’t become too large. You definitely have enough space for that. Our living room/kitchen is 80 square meters (860 square feet). Others consider that an entire apartment!
With your attic office, don’t forget the electrical wiring and heating. You don’t want to be freezing in the winter or boiling in the summer. Also, you can’t use a cold attic; you have to fully insulate it. Alternatively, you could insulate just the office area upstairs and keep the rest as a cold attic, but then you would need a specially insulated door to prevent cold air—and therefore mold—from penetrating the building envelope.
Guest shower: Last year, we had friends visiting with their little daughter. The husband is more like the wife in terms of bathroom use and needs more time there. We managed perfectly with 4 adults and 3 children. Usually, people shower at staggered times anyway. I have a very different schedule from my children. My husband showers daily, mostly in the morning. I prefer not to waste that time. The kids usually shower too.
When the boys reach the adolescent “puma” phase, it’s in your interest that they don’t block the shower multiple times a day.
So, I took the time to adjust the walls in our floor plan to create your office and slightly enlarge the storage room.
I furnished the rooms based on our current setup to give you an idea of the space available.
As you can see, my son's room (5 years old) is quite full, mainly because of his Lego and Playmobil collections, which need space somewhere. I’m not sure how much longer the play tables will stay, as he’s starting to outgrow standing play. Once those are gone, there will be significantly more space in the middle of the room.
My daughter’s room (1 year old) is currently used as a guest room, and my husband’s children from his first marriage sleep there when they visit.
Later on, a larger wardrobe will be added, the baby crib will be removed along with the changing table, and then we’ll have plenty of room to fill the walls with storage solutions. In other words, the room sizes are sufficient; you just need to be a bit creative with shelving.
The bedroom is tight. The bed can effectively only be placed against one wall or where the large wardrobe is, and then without bedside tables. But even here, the space is totally adequate! It’s just for sleeping, but it shouldn’t be any smaller.
The only drawback is the kitchen, which is a bit small, but moving the window might help to squeeze out some extra space.
I furnished the rooms based on our current setup to give you an idea of the space available.
As you can see, my son's room (5 years old) is quite full, mainly because of his Lego and Playmobil collections, which need space somewhere. I’m not sure how much longer the play tables will stay, as he’s starting to outgrow standing play. Once those are gone, there will be significantly more space in the middle of the room.
My daughter’s room (1 year old) is currently used as a guest room, and my husband’s children from his first marriage sleep there when they visit.
Later on, a larger wardrobe will be added, the baby crib will be removed along with the changing table, and then we’ll have plenty of room to fill the walls with storage solutions. In other words, the room sizes are sufficient; you just need to be a bit creative with shelving.
The bedroom is tight. The bed can effectively only be placed against one wall or where the large wardrobe is, and then without bedside tables. But even here, the space is totally adequate! It’s just for sleeping, but it shouldn’t be any smaller.
The only drawback is the kitchen, which is a bit small, but moving the window might help to squeeze out some extra space.
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