ᐅ What is feasible on the existing plot and within the budget
Created on: 8 Mar 2019 13:12
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neigschmeckt8 Mar 2019 13:12Hello everyone,
somehow I’m stuck in a planning chaos and hope to get a few tips from you regarding the planning approach and/or ideas for implementation…
In particular, a cost estimate would probably help me with regard to the basement design. Or how many square meters of house we can afford. Can we save money if, instead of a living basement, we plan the garage in the basement and enlarge the house footprint to accommodate a guest room/office and utility room?
What is the most cost-effective way to achieve my desired level access to the large terrace and garden from the ground floor (living/dining/kitchen)? There should be enough space to at least partially accommodate an embankment with a slope.
Any ideas for the placement of the garage? I especially can’t quite visualize the slope.
We still have a total budget of 500,000 € (land already owned). It has to be somehow feasible with this budget to build a family house (not just standard equipped) with more than 130 sqm plus basement, garage and outdoor area in Baden-Württemberg, right?
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: approx. 769 sqm (access and final measurement still pending)
Slope: yes, 2 or 3 meters (6.5 or 10 feet) gradient
Floor area ratio: 0.4 (max. 0.6)
Floor space index: -
Building window, building line and boundary: 2.5 m (8 ft) setback from boundary
Edge development: garages, if connected to the main building; street-side 1 m (3 ft) distance
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: -
Roof shape: single-pitched (SD), half-hipped (vSD), gabled roof (WD) 30 - 40°: max ridge height 8.0 m (26 ft)
dormer roof (ZD), gable dormer (gD) 10 – 25°: max ridge height 8.0 m (26 ft)
flat roof (FD) 0 -5°: max parapet height 6.8 m (22 ft)
Architectural style: -
Orientation: parallel to the street or rotated 90°, see plan
Maximum heights/limits: height measured from reference height (highest point on our plot); max ridge height 8 m (26 ft) (for flat roof max parapet height 6.8 m (22 ft))
Additional requirements:
Client requirements:
Style: modern, but practicality on the outside more important than aesthetics!
Roof type: doesn’t matter, just no knee wall under 1.50 m (5 ft)
Building type: any
Basement, floors: initial idea is a living basement with a self-contained apartment; alternatively living basement with guest room/office or utility basement with integrated garage?? This is already part of the planning problem
Number of people, age: 36 and 38 + 1.5 years
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
GF: (level access with garden connection or large terrace) 50 sqm (540 sqft) for open living/dining/kitchen; the rest depends on wishes such as guest toilet or shower bathroom, entrance area/wardrobe as a mudroom to avoid dirt being brought into the house, circulation area for stairs and guest toilet not in the dirty area right at the front door; small office/spare guest room, possibly a pantry for vacuum cleaner, broom, etc.
UF: bathroom with double vanity, bathtub for two (180 x 80 cm (71 x 31 inches)), bright floor-tiled shower 1 x 1.2 m (3 x 4 ft) with glass door; one large (>15 sqm (160 sqft)) and one smaller (about 12-15 sqm (130-160 sqft)) children’s bedrooms; master bedroom, walk-in closet (accessible from the corridor), small hallway (no wasted space for large hallway, prefer bigger rooms), possibly utility room for washing machine, dryer, ironing and drying rack
Office: Family use or home office?: both; both adults work about one day a week from home.
Overnight guests per year: around 1-2 guests every 2 months, possibly increasing due to childcare
Open or closed architecture: open!
Conservative or modern construction: rather modern, many floor-to-ceiling windows, light light light…
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen!!! Preferably with an island (possibly not enough space); important: sink and work surface not against a wall and not facing away from living-dining area!! (Wish side-by-side fridge, tall oven)
Number of dining seats: 4-6 (more than 6 only with extendable table and chairs to be fetched)
Fireplace: possibly preparation
Music/speaker wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: because of the slope garage roof on basement level as roof terrace for the ground floor
Garage, carport: double—preferably large garage. Two cars used only on weekends MUST fit in garage with some space for tools and repairs. For one daily-use car garage or carport (convenient getting in/out and short, low-stair access paths to house entrance, preferably under cover). One more daily car somewhere else (e.g. parking space in front of garage or similar)
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
level access from kitchen/dining/living to garden is a must, alternatively large roof terrace leading to garden!
Future wishes: possibility to add a pool; smart home retrofit
House design
Designed by:
-builder’s planner
-architect
-do-it-yourself
What do you like especially? Why?
What do you dislike? Why?
Price estimate by architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 500,000 € for house including everything, also earthworks, kitchen, outdoor area (possibly in installments) and double garage
Preferred heating technology: gas not connected, therefore air-source heat pump, preferably with photovoltaics
If you had to forego some details/extensions
-You could live without: for now the third garage or carport for daily vehicle or oversized double/large garage, if planning allows later realization; self-contained apartment, living basement (if office on ground floor and utility room upstairs), basement (if slope allows and house footprint increases), stair-low access to the house, fireplace
-You cannot do without: 50 sqm open living/dining/kitchen, open living, mudroom, floor-to-ceiling windows, electric shutters,
somehow I’m stuck in a planning chaos and hope to get a few tips from you regarding the planning approach and/or ideas for implementation…
In particular, a cost estimate would probably help me with regard to the basement design. Or how many square meters of house we can afford. Can we save money if, instead of a living basement, we plan the garage in the basement and enlarge the house footprint to accommodate a guest room/office and utility room?
What is the most cost-effective way to achieve my desired level access to the large terrace and garden from the ground floor (living/dining/kitchen)? There should be enough space to at least partially accommodate an embankment with a slope.
Any ideas for the placement of the garage? I especially can’t quite visualize the slope.
We still have a total budget of 500,000 € (land already owned). It has to be somehow feasible with this budget to build a family house (not just standard equipped) with more than 130 sqm plus basement, garage and outdoor area in Baden-Württemberg, right?
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: approx. 769 sqm (access and final measurement still pending)
Slope: yes, 2 or 3 meters (6.5 or 10 feet) gradient
Floor area ratio: 0.4 (max. 0.6)
Floor space index: -
Building window, building line and boundary: 2.5 m (8 ft) setback from boundary
Edge development: garages, if connected to the main building; street-side 1 m (3 ft) distance
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: -
Roof shape: single-pitched (SD), half-hipped (vSD), gabled roof (WD) 30 - 40°: max ridge height 8.0 m (26 ft)
dormer roof (ZD), gable dormer (gD) 10 – 25°: max ridge height 8.0 m (26 ft)
flat roof (FD) 0 -5°: max parapet height 6.8 m (22 ft)
Architectural style: -
Orientation: parallel to the street or rotated 90°, see plan
Maximum heights/limits: height measured from reference height (highest point on our plot); max ridge height 8 m (26 ft) (for flat roof max parapet height 6.8 m (22 ft))
Additional requirements:
Client requirements:
Style: modern, but practicality on the outside more important than aesthetics!
Roof type: doesn’t matter, just no knee wall under 1.50 m (5 ft)
Building type: any
Basement, floors: initial idea is a living basement with a self-contained apartment; alternatively living basement with guest room/office or utility basement with integrated garage?? This is already part of the planning problem
Number of people, age: 36 and 38 + 1.5 years
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
GF: (level access with garden connection or large terrace) 50 sqm (540 sqft) for open living/dining/kitchen; the rest depends on wishes such as guest toilet or shower bathroom, entrance area/wardrobe as a mudroom to avoid dirt being brought into the house, circulation area for stairs and guest toilet not in the dirty area right at the front door; small office/spare guest room, possibly a pantry for vacuum cleaner, broom, etc.
UF: bathroom with double vanity, bathtub for two (180 x 80 cm (71 x 31 inches)), bright floor-tiled shower 1 x 1.2 m (3 x 4 ft) with glass door; one large (>15 sqm (160 sqft)) and one smaller (about 12-15 sqm (130-160 sqft)) children’s bedrooms; master bedroom, walk-in closet (accessible from the corridor), small hallway (no wasted space for large hallway, prefer bigger rooms), possibly utility room for washing machine, dryer, ironing and drying rack
Office: Family use or home office?: both; both adults work about one day a week from home.
Overnight guests per year: around 1-2 guests every 2 months, possibly increasing due to childcare
Open or closed architecture: open!
Conservative or modern construction: rather modern, many floor-to-ceiling windows, light light light…
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen!!! Preferably with an island (possibly not enough space); important: sink and work surface not against a wall and not facing away from living-dining area!! (Wish side-by-side fridge, tall oven)
Number of dining seats: 4-6 (more than 6 only with extendable table and chairs to be fetched)
Fireplace: possibly preparation
Music/speaker wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: because of the slope garage roof on basement level as roof terrace for the ground floor
Garage, carport: double—preferably large garage. Two cars used only on weekends MUST fit in garage with some space for tools and repairs. For one daily-use car garage or carport (convenient getting in/out and short, low-stair access paths to house entrance, preferably under cover). One more daily car somewhere else (e.g. parking space in front of garage or similar)
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
level access from kitchen/dining/living to garden is a must, alternatively large roof terrace leading to garden!
Future wishes: possibility to add a pool; smart home retrofit
House design
Designed by:
-builder’s planner
-architect
-do-it-yourself
What do you like especially? Why?
What do you dislike? Why?
Price estimate by architect/planner:
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 500,000 € for house including everything, also earthworks, kitchen, outdoor area (possibly in installments) and double garage
Preferred heating technology: gas not connected, therefore air-source heat pump, preferably with photovoltaics
If you had to forego some details/extensions
-You could live without: for now the third garage or carport for daily vehicle or oversized double/large garage, if planning allows later realization; self-contained apartment, living basement (if office on ground floor and utility room upstairs), basement (if slope allows and house footprint increases), stair-low access to the house, fireplace
-You cannot do without: 50 sqm open living/dining/kitchen, open living, mudroom, floor-to-ceiling windows, electric shutters,
Just a quick note about your sketch:
You shouldn't block the south side with a garage, unless it's built at basement level, then you can create a nice terrace on top – but the driveway location won’t be visible.
Half a million is enough.
Hire an architect; sloping lots have a lot of potential, but they can also be easily messed up.
You shouldn't block the south side with a garage, unless it's built at basement level, then you can create a nice terrace on top – but the driveway location won’t be visible.
Half a million is enough.
Hire an architect; sloping lots have a lot of potential, but they can also be easily messed up.
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Just a quick note on your sketch:
You wouldn’t build over the south side with a garage, unless it’s at basement level, then you could build a nice terrace on top – but it’s not clear where the driveway is.
Half a million is enough.
Get an architect involved; sloped plots have a lot of potential, but you can also really mess it up. Have you considered why the original poster is asking about the budget? A fully finished house on a 3m (10ft) slope, not a standard build, for 500,000€?
We have nearly the same conditions except for the bathroom fittings and the garage, and my cost when everything is complete, really everything (except furniture), will be between 480,000 and 500,000€, just for the house.
However, I am already building, and this is in Bavaria, not Baden-Württemberg.
So, I don’t see his 500,000€ as a fixed limit.
Then try calculating backwards first:
500k
- 20k for kitchen and some small items
- 25k for earthworks (naturally more expensive due to the slope)
- 30k for additional building costs
- 25k for a double garage
- 20k for carport/entrance canopy
- 30k for landscaping (naturally more expensive due to the slope)
____________________
350k
At 2000 EUR/sqm (around 185 USD/sqft), you can afford about 170 sqm (1830 sqft).
That should be sufficient for 3-4 people. However, you have to acknowledge that your preferences are cost drivers. Just the double garage plus carport/entrance canopy will be quite expensive. Photovoltaics and other extras are probably off the table for now.
I also don’t quite understand your thoughts regarding the basement/ground floor/upper floor. Are you planning to build three stories? The slope rises, right? I would consider designing a basement with an entrance area, children’s room, dining area, bathroom, and utility room built into the slope. Then on the upper floor, place kitchen/living/dining areas, office, storage, and guest bathroom. So just two stories. Or am I misunderstanding your planning?
We are building something similar on a slope. Our terrace will also be positioned over the double garage. When we requested quotes, we initially asked about placing the garage under the house. That generally turned out to be more expensive since it would increase the building footprint, make thermal separation more difficult, and you would also have to somehow retain the slope beside the house plus create a level area for a terrace in the garden.
500k
- 20k for kitchen and some small items
- 25k for earthworks (naturally more expensive due to the slope)
- 30k for additional building costs
- 25k for a double garage
- 20k for carport/entrance canopy
- 30k for landscaping (naturally more expensive due to the slope)
____________________
350k
At 2000 EUR/sqm (around 185 USD/sqft), you can afford about 170 sqm (1830 sqft).
That should be sufficient for 3-4 people. However, you have to acknowledge that your preferences are cost drivers. Just the double garage plus carport/entrance canopy will be quite expensive. Photovoltaics and other extras are probably off the table for now.
I also don’t quite understand your thoughts regarding the basement/ground floor/upper floor. Are you planning to build three stories? The slope rises, right? I would consider designing a basement with an entrance area, children’s room, dining area, bathroom, and utility room built into the slope. Then on the upper floor, place kitchen/living/dining areas, office, storage, and guest bathroom. So just two stories. Or am I misunderstanding your planning?
We are building something similar on a slope. Our terrace will also be positioned over the double garage. When we requested quotes, we initially asked about placing the garage under the house. That generally turned out to be more expensive since it would increase the building footprint, make thermal separation more difficult, and you would also have to somehow retain the slope beside the house plus create a level area for a terrace in the garden.
Zaba12 schrieb:
Have you ever wondered why the original poster is asking about the budget? A complete build with a 3m (10 feet) slope, not just a standard design for 500,000 euros?Of course, you can spend more, but if you set a limit of 500,000 euros, it is definitely possible to get a non-standard house within that budget.
I’m having trouble understanding the height specifications.
Otherwise, it tends to stay within the limitations of basic amateur standards, without considering that standard rooms can also be located in the basement...
Then, of course, the full desired package comes into play
Photos of the plot including access routes and site connections would be helpful.
Otherwise, it tends to stay within the limitations of basic amateur standards, without considering that standard rooms can also be located in the basement...
neigschmeckt schrieb:
What is the most cost-effective way to achieve my desired ground-level access to the large terrace and garden from the main floor (living/dining/kitchen)?
Then, of course, the full desired package comes into play
neigschmeckt schrieb:
Initial idea: a basement living area with a self-contained apartment; alternatively, a basement living area with guest room/office, or a utility basement with integrated garage?? This is exactly where part of the planning challenge begins
neigschmeckt schrieb:
Double garage—preferably a large single-space garage. Two weekend vehicles MUST fit in the garage with space for tools and some room to work on them. For one everyday vehicle, a garage or carport (comfortable ingress and egress and short, low-step routes to the front door, ideally covered). One more everyday vehicle somewhere else (e.g., a parking space in front of the garage or similar)
Photos of the plot including access routes and site connections would be helpful.
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