ᐅ Log Cabin with Half-Hipped Roof by the Forest – How to Improve the Design?
Created on: 11 Jun 2018 19:45
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Hello everyone,
We have been planning and actively reading for over a year now. As our plans become more concrete, we would like to present our design and get your feedback.
First of all: Yes, the house is big. It is our dream, we are doing a lot of the work ourselves, and we know that we cannot extend it further — the situation here is a bit unusual, as strictly speaking this is only officially buildable land for a short time window.
A brief introduction: I am 36 years old and co-owner of an IT company. My partner is 31 and works as a lecturer. About two years ago, we found our dream plot — a little over 2800sqm (about 0.7 acres), with direct forest access and located in the third row. All neighboring plots are, as far as possible, already built on, mostly with former weekend houses or residential homes.
First, the questionnaire:
Building plan / restrictions?
No, there is no building plan, so we are following common local building standards. The neighboring house has two full stories, which we are using as a reference.
Plot size
2800sqm (about 0.7 acres)
Slope
Slight slope; we are on a ridge of the Ore Mountains. The building site has a height difference of max. 60cm (about 2 feet) from northeast to southwest. The entire plot slopes about 1.80m (6 feet) downward to the south along the west boundary. Rocky ground starting at 2.5m (8 feet) depth.
Plot ratio / floor area ratio
No exact figures known; according to the lawyer from the building permit office, we are well within limits.
Building envelope, building line and boundary
None
Boundary setbacks
Do you mean setback distances and boundary construction? If so: 3m (10 feet) all around; boundary construction for sheds and garages is theoretically permitted.
Number of parking spaces
1–2 under the porch + double garage.
Number of floors
2
Roof type
Half-hipped roof (Dutch hip roof).
Architectural style
Hmm... not sure?
Orientation
South-southwest
Maximum height/limits
None
Other requirements
Homeowners’ needs
We want our house to welcome us. Warm wood, natural building materials, lots of light and air — high ceilings, large beams. It should blend well with the environment, be warm and cozy.
Style, roof type, building type
Log house made from glue-laminated beams (probably Finnlog).
Basement, floors
Fully basemented with two full floors.
Number of residents, age
Currently 2 people. Children may come, parents as well.
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Currently about 300sqm (about 3200 sqft). This seems quite large, but looking at individual rooms (living/dining area) I don’t know where else to put the sound system. Maybe the planning is off or our space expectations are. We don’t have a TV; the fireplace is the central element.
Office: family use or home office?
An office is planned, but only as a fallback. I don’t want to work from home and only need space for private files and a desk.
Guest bedrooms per year
Variable, currently very few. Hopefully many more with the house — then we can accommodate them.
Open or closed architecture
Mixed. I prefer open, but an open void above the living area is not possible if you don’t want all cooking smells in the bedroom.
Traditional or modern construction
Hmm... solid wood house? Traditional.
Open kitchen, cooking island
An open, large kitchen with a big island where more than two people can cook comfortably. No seating in the kitchen, but a huge workspace.
Number of dining seats
10
Fireplace
Yes, a large soapstone stove.
Music / stereo wall
I am considering installating a Sonos system with a music room in the basement.
Balcony, roof terrace
No; we have a garden for that.
Garage, carport
Both; at least the entrance canopy is large enough for one car.
Vegetable garden, greenhouse
We want a greenhouse, a swimming pond, and a fire pit.
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why or why not
House design
Who designed it:
The design was created with an architect, based on our drafts.
What do you particularly like? Why?
High ceilings and visible ceiling beams on the upper floor, separated area upstairs for us, the fireplace room as a second retreat, the single-story “extension” for the dining room, the large kitchen, the fireplaces... and especially the abundant wood.
What don’t you like? Why?
The gable windows should get an added triangular top to maximize light. The current window layout feels a bit outdated. We actually wanted an open void, but this can’t be sensibly integrated. Heating is a constant issue and never fully resolved.
The worst: the master bathroom fixtures. We want a large bathtub and a double shower. Either the bathroom is too small or we lack imagination. It doesn’t look cozy...
Preferred heating system: currently unfortunately natural gas. Solid fuel heating is out for various reasons: a wood gasifier is too expensive and labor-intensive; pellet or woodchip stoves are not economical, plus we can’t reliably get deliveries in winter when the road is snowed in. Natural gas is about 100m (330 feet) away; we are still waiting for connection cost estimates. Heat pumps only make financial sense with geothermal; however, installation and technology would then be more expensive than a current compact car. We do not want oil heating or liquefied gas tanks.
If you have to omit something, which details/extensions
-can you omit:
-can you not omit:
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
The architect received a draft from us, every room was discussed beforehand (use, size, contents), and the design was revised multiple times. We like that it implements nearly everything we wanted and that the house does not look too bulky — due to the half-hipped roof and the gables, it does not seem so on the plans at least.
What is your most important / basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Apart from the effort for plastering: is the floor plan practical? For example: washing machine on the first floor where laundry occurs, bathroom for the children...
Now some free text — our notes:
Some things are already different from the plans:
We have also been thinking about other things:
I think that’s it. Thanks for your opinions!
We have been planning and actively reading for over a year now. As our plans become more concrete, we would like to present our design and get your feedback.
First of all: Yes, the house is big. It is our dream, we are doing a lot of the work ourselves, and we know that we cannot extend it further — the situation here is a bit unusual, as strictly speaking this is only officially buildable land for a short time window.
A brief introduction: I am 36 years old and co-owner of an IT company. My partner is 31 and works as a lecturer. About two years ago, we found our dream plot — a little over 2800sqm (about 0.7 acres), with direct forest access and located in the third row. All neighboring plots are, as far as possible, already built on, mostly with former weekend houses or residential homes.
First, the questionnaire:
Building plan / restrictions?
No, there is no building plan, so we are following common local building standards. The neighboring house has two full stories, which we are using as a reference.
Plot size
2800sqm (about 0.7 acres)
Slope
Slight slope; we are on a ridge of the Ore Mountains. The building site has a height difference of max. 60cm (about 2 feet) from northeast to southwest. The entire plot slopes about 1.80m (6 feet) downward to the south along the west boundary. Rocky ground starting at 2.5m (8 feet) depth.
Plot ratio / floor area ratio
No exact figures known; according to the lawyer from the building permit office, we are well within limits.
Building envelope, building line and boundary
None
Boundary setbacks
Do you mean setback distances and boundary construction? If so: 3m (10 feet) all around; boundary construction for sheds and garages is theoretically permitted.
Number of parking spaces
1–2 under the porch + double garage.
Number of floors
2
Roof type
Half-hipped roof (Dutch hip roof).
Architectural style
Hmm... not sure?
Orientation
South-southwest
Maximum height/limits
None
Other requirements
Homeowners’ needs
We want our house to welcome us. Warm wood, natural building materials, lots of light and air — high ceilings, large beams. It should blend well with the environment, be warm and cozy.
Style, roof type, building type
Log house made from glue-laminated beams (probably Finnlog).
Basement, floors
Fully basemented with two full floors.
Number of residents, age
Currently 2 people. Children may come, parents as well.
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor
Currently about 300sqm (about 3200 sqft). This seems quite large, but looking at individual rooms (living/dining area) I don’t know where else to put the sound system. Maybe the planning is off or our space expectations are. We don’t have a TV; the fireplace is the central element.
Office: family use or home office?
An office is planned, but only as a fallback. I don’t want to work from home and only need space for private files and a desk.
Guest bedrooms per year
Variable, currently very few. Hopefully many more with the house — then we can accommodate them.
Open or closed architecture
Mixed. I prefer open, but an open void above the living area is not possible if you don’t want all cooking smells in the bedroom.
Traditional or modern construction
Hmm... solid wood house? Traditional.
Open kitchen, cooking island
An open, large kitchen with a big island where more than two people can cook comfortably. No seating in the kitchen, but a huge workspace.
Number of dining seats
10
Fireplace
Yes, a large soapstone stove.
Music / stereo wall
I am considering installating a Sonos system with a music room in the basement.
Balcony, roof terrace
No; we have a garden for that.
Garage, carport
Both; at least the entrance canopy is large enough for one car.
Vegetable garden, greenhouse
We want a greenhouse, a swimming pond, and a fire pit.
Other wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why or why not
House design
Who designed it:
The design was created with an architect, based on our drafts.
What do you particularly like? Why?
High ceilings and visible ceiling beams on the upper floor, separated area upstairs for us, the fireplace room as a second retreat, the single-story “extension” for the dining room, the large kitchen, the fireplaces... and especially the abundant wood.
What don’t you like? Why?
The gable windows should get an added triangular top to maximize light. The current window layout feels a bit outdated. We actually wanted an open void, but this can’t be sensibly integrated. Heating is a constant issue and never fully resolved.
The worst: the master bathroom fixtures. We want a large bathtub and a double shower. Either the bathroom is too small or we lack imagination. It doesn’t look cozy...
Preferred heating system: currently unfortunately natural gas. Solid fuel heating is out for various reasons: a wood gasifier is too expensive and labor-intensive; pellet or woodchip stoves are not economical, plus we can’t reliably get deliveries in winter when the road is snowed in. Natural gas is about 100m (330 feet) away; we are still waiting for connection cost estimates. Heat pumps only make financial sense with geothermal; however, installation and technology would then be more expensive than a current compact car. We do not want oil heating or liquefied gas tanks.
If you have to omit something, which details/extensions
-can you omit:
-can you not omit:
Why is the design like it is now? For example:
The architect received a draft from us, every room was discussed beforehand (use, size, contents), and the design was revised multiple times. We like that it implements nearly everything we wanted and that the house does not look too bulky — due to the half-hipped roof and the gables, it does not seem so on the plans at least.
What is your most important / basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Apart from the effort for plastering: is the floor plan practical? For example: washing machine on the first floor where laundry occurs, bathroom for the children...
Now some free text — our notes:
Some things are already different from the plans:
- All windows can be opened.
- Sliding doors open outwards, not inwards.
- All dormer windows will not be rectangular but have added triangular tops.
- Between the hallway and living area there is no central post; instead, a large double door is planned.
- The basement has a technical room beside the stairs, designed as a through room. In my opinion, this is a poor solution; we probably also need to plan a separate boiler room.
- Where the embankment is drawn, doors will be installed. This will allow the large rooms to get natural daylight and be usable living space.
- The stair step projecting into the hallway is bad and will definitely be removed.
We have also been thinking about other things:
- The hallway upstairs is planned as a “library.” To bring in light, we intend to use two light wells with diameters of 30–35cm (12–14 inches). The advantage: it will never be completely dark at night when someone needs to use the bathroom.
- The fireplace will be a soapstone stove; no plan exists yet. Strictly speaking, it will not stand against a wall but form the wall itself. We also planned a second connection in the fireplace room; originally we wanted a tunnel fireplace but were convinced it’s not a good idea as a room divider.
- The children’s rooms are not ideal — one faces north, the other south. We could make two narrow, elongated rooms and a corridor so both face south, but we consider that clearly suboptimal.
- All doors on the ground floor will be 1m (3.3 feet) wide to at least accommodate wheelchair access reasonably.
I think that’s it. Thanks for your opinions!
@Climbee
Thank you for your detailed response – you obviously took the time to read the whole thread, even though I think some things might have gotten mixed up along the way. With so much information, that’s quite understandable.
I will try to answer everything, even if I don’t go through it point by point.
The freezer you mentioned appeared in connection with the dog food. That’s why it’s in the shed. Our food is stored in the freezer next to the kitchen, as shown in the latest design draft posted. The living area no longer separates the cooking and dining spaces. We have planned a table for 8-10 people, since we don’t expect more visitors; larger gatherings take place in the garden or elsewhere, with food being delivered.
The wellness area has moved indoors from the separate outdoor space. This is partly because of space considerations – it offers a nice view of the pond and garden – and also because it can be shared with guests without them having to pass through the bedroom. Additionally, this fits with our concept of simplifying things, as we no longer need to run multiple utility lines through the garden.
We still have plenty of storage, both in the attached garage and in the already mentioned shed. I don’t think I want to store much more than that.
Even if this seems incredible to everyone here, the process hasn’t been entirely without a plan.
- Children’s rooms have always been part of the design; we are not leaving them out – I prefer to use rooms planned primarily as children’s rooms for other purposes rather than later converting an office into a children’s room. We try to find a middle ground when it comes to size: not stingily small, but also not uncomfortably large. If that works, it fits our needs. We gladly give up 20%. We also like that all family rooms are on the same level. There are also options for the kids to have quiet spaces when needed.
- The guest rooms, together with the “playroom” and a bathroom, can be separated as an apartment. The unused door will be locked with the key removed. This is important for longer visits and is now better planned than before. At the same time, the second kitchen provides an alternative while the children are still small and don’t want to play separated from the parents in the garden.
- The kitchen upstairs can smell however it likes; no one will be disturbed. Bedrooms are separated, and the open staircase isn’t a problem since most odors rise upward. There is sufficient ventilation because cross-ventilation is possible — large openings from south to north can be opened to let out heat buildup in summer.
- The wellness area now includes a sauna and a large bathtub and can be used by everyone.
- The large upper room contains only the kitchen, dining area, and fireplace room/library. A TV is located downstairs in the fireplace room.
- The utility room, heating room, and electrical room are located on the ground floor. The utility room has a laundry chute from above and space for an ironing board, etc. Electrical connections are in the pantry, which is accessible through the garage.
- There is a fireplace connection near the kitchen.
- The garage provides additional storage space.
Thank you for your detailed response – you obviously took the time to read the whole thread, even though I think some things might have gotten mixed up along the way. With so much information, that’s quite understandable.
I will try to answer everything, even if I don’t go through it point by point.
The freezer you mentioned appeared in connection with the dog food. That’s why it’s in the shed. Our food is stored in the freezer next to the kitchen, as shown in the latest design draft posted. The living area no longer separates the cooking and dining spaces. We have planned a table for 8-10 people, since we don’t expect more visitors; larger gatherings take place in the garden or elsewhere, with food being delivered.
The wellness area has moved indoors from the separate outdoor space. This is partly because of space considerations – it offers a nice view of the pond and garden – and also because it can be shared with guests without them having to pass through the bedroom. Additionally, this fits with our concept of simplifying things, as we no longer need to run multiple utility lines through the garden.
We still have plenty of storage, both in the attached garage and in the already mentioned shed. I don’t think I want to store much more than that.
Even if this seems incredible to everyone here, the process hasn’t been entirely without a plan.
- Children’s rooms have always been part of the design; we are not leaving them out – I prefer to use rooms planned primarily as children’s rooms for other purposes rather than later converting an office into a children’s room. We try to find a middle ground when it comes to size: not stingily small, but also not uncomfortably large. If that works, it fits our needs. We gladly give up 20%. We also like that all family rooms are on the same level. There are also options for the kids to have quiet spaces when needed.
- The guest rooms, together with the “playroom” and a bathroom, can be separated as an apartment. The unused door will be locked with the key removed. This is important for longer visits and is now better planned than before. At the same time, the second kitchen provides an alternative while the children are still small and don’t want to play separated from the parents in the garden.
- The kitchen upstairs can smell however it likes; no one will be disturbed. Bedrooms are separated, and the open staircase isn’t a problem since most odors rise upward. There is sufficient ventilation because cross-ventilation is possible — large openings from south to north can be opened to let out heat buildup in summer.
- The wellness area now includes a sauna and a large bathtub and can be used by everyone.
- The large upper room contains only the kitchen, dining area, and fireplace room/library. A TV is located downstairs in the fireplace room.
- The utility room, heating room, and electrical room are located on the ground floor. The utility room has a laundry chute from above and space for an ironing board, etc. Electrical connections are in the pantry, which is accessible through the garage.
- There is a fireplace connection near the kitchen.
- The garage provides additional storage space.
Hmm ... I don’t understand why you separate the kitchen/dining area from the garden access. Especially when parties with many people take place in the garden/shed, it’s always more practical to have everything easily accessible, top to bottom.
Where exactly is the space for 1000 books now?
Where exactly is the space for 1000 books now?
One hardly dares to say anything anymore. So I’d better keep quiet. – Too much criticism. What I’m curious about is what the structural engineer will say about the size of the living room? Whether 2-3 columns will still be needed in the center? Or is it different for timber-framed houses?
@kbt09
The garden access is not separated – there is a balcony in front of the large room with stairs leading down. We drew the floor plan yesterday, but since this is not a separate room, we probably forgot to include it. I’ll add it right away.
The books will be placed on the back side of the walk-in closet and on the west side, which is the garage wall.
The garden access is not separated – there is a balcony in front of the large room with stairs leading down. We drew the floor plan yesterday, but since this is not a separate room, we probably forgot to include it. I’ll add it right away.
The books will be placed on the back side of the walk-in closet and on the west side, which is the garage wall.
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