ᐅ Initial floor plan draft of the ground floor

haydee schrieb:
Basically, yes, but do you really know everyone’s work just because you know them? Village gossip can be tricky too. It doesn’t matter to me whether I went to school with them or how many beers we’ve had together. What’s more important is, for example, if the architect says they try to charge extra for every small deviation or just let things slide. How punctual they are with appointments, etc.

This isn’t the first heating system we’ve gotten from him, nor the first roof...

For my grandfather, this will be the new home he’s directly involved with, and as a neighbor, he’ll be spending half the day on the construction site anyway... I’m fully aware that I can’t assess everything accurately myself.

I could accept €5,000 for the plans, but €30,000 is definitely too much.

MIA_SAN_MIA__ schrieb:
I could definitely accept 5,000+ for the plans

The architect earns only a very small portion of their fee from what the client sees in the form of drawings. Even the fees for individual service phases are negotiable.

A draftsman can take your self-designed and collaboratively refined floor plan, derive views and sections from it, and produce the CAD files on a USB stick so the architect can base the planning approval on them; this doesn’t have to be too costly for your piggy bank.

From the planning approval stage onwards, the architect becomes much more indispensable; and even if your grandfather always carried his army revolver on the construction site, I firmly believe in the usefulness of an architect for site supervision—as in getting what you pay for.

By the way—not encouraging any exploitation here—I often hear from architects who prefer to do their professional work below the HOAI fee scale rather than flipping burgers. The other extreme—charging as much as possible while working lazily—may exist but is not the norm. Less common than voluntarily honest tradespeople, I would say.

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You can’t convince me that hiring an architect is financially worthwhile. Where exactly would they save you the 30k? You might have significantly less effort and possibly overlook a few minor details, but overall, I just can’t see it adding up.

MIA_SAN_MIA__ schrieb:
You can't seriously tell me that hiring an architect pays off financially. Where would they get the 30k from?

I think 30k is too high an estimate for a single-family house. That would only make sense for a polygonal plot with one side on rock and the other on marshland.

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I just asked someone today – over 28k. All other examples I found online also fall within that range.

Just use an HOAI calculator; it shows you exactly what each service phase costs. With over 30,000 euros, you are practically at service phases 1-8.