Dear forum,
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
Tom1978 schrieb:
Well. I’m thinking about the employee in my office who is desperately looking for a plot of land/used house in Brandenburg. But she can’t find anything because people from Berlin always come and buy them for 2-3 times the market value. Everyone wants to live in Berlin, but then they end up moving to Brandenburg 😎I can reassure you on that:
- native Berliner
- purchase price significantly below market value
You should quickly let go of that kind of thinking. Fortunately, we still live in a free country. What else could Berliners say about all the people from southern Germany who populate the city? This kind of attitude only creates division. Berlin and Brandenburg only work well together. In the mentioned municipality, over 70% of the people work in Berlin.
Patrick. schrieb:
I can put your mind at ease:
- native Berliner
- purchase price well below market value
Such a mindset should be discarded quickly. Fortunately, we still live in a free country. Otherwise, what would Berliners say about all the South Germans moving into the city? That only creates division. Berlin and Brandenburg only work well together. In the mentioned municipality, more than 70% of the people work in Berlin.I understand that. But I find it funny how many want to move to Berlin to live in the big city, yet sooner or later end up living in the countryside. We ourselves lived for 9 months in a new development in Buckow. But just the commuting was a nightmare. And taking public transportation was even worse. Our trip to the city center was longer than from here (Beelitz).
This is not a criticism, just an observation. As an economist, I have heard/read a thing or two about the free market economy :-)
HausTmMike schrieb:
I know companies from Ukraine that also build timber frame houses. But dealing with permits, energy-saving regulations, building approvals, and so on is complicated. Still, for the price, something like that is needed.
At least they do the wooden shell construction for 50,000 euros. All in all, you probably won’t be better off than if you build with Thule Blockhaus:
Thule Blockhaus Fjord plus foundation slab, roof covering, assembly (25% of the shell construction cost)
11ant schrieb:
For a partly rented and partly owner-occupied vacation property, I would plan for a non-rented area: a private room for family bedding, favorite mugs, wine glasses, and similar items—things you’d prefer not to share with strangers. I’m happy to advise on detailed planning; I see this as useful for myself in the long run but haven’t fleshed it out fully yet.
Open-ended planning is often overrated, and standard designs are disproportionately criticized. Much of what has been worked out for Meier or Krause can also be adapted with small changes for Schulze or Becker. Fully agree. You need a separate room where personal items can quickly be stored, especially if you have children. We have just spoken with Bien-Zenker and looked at an Ambience 88 bungalow built to the minimum standard of the Building Energy Act. It is outside the budget set in this thread but worth considering—especially if many services are contracted to local tradespeople. Once I have floor plans, I’d share them here for feedback. Would you still build with a gas boiler, or is that outdated, even for mostly summer use?
Rumbi441 schrieb:
No, the local carpenter with his 5 employees, or the neighbor who is an electrician, and so on.
I understand the original poster. If you live in the city center, you want to be closer to nature. You can’t afford a house in the countryside, so you take your money and build further out, possibly with the option to live there permanently later on. That sums it up well. I grew up in Berlin and want to stay here. But since childhood, I spent almost every weekend at my grandparents’ country home. That blend is what makes it so appealing to us.
Thanks for the tip—that’s a great idea and also helps build connections and links with the neighbors!
Tom1978 schrieb:
I get that. But I find it funny how many want to move to Berlin to live in the big city and then sooner or later end up in the countryside. We ourselves lived nine months in a new development in Buckow. But even the daily trips were a nightmare. And using public transport was even worse. Getting to the city center took longer than from here (Beelitz).
No criticism intended, just an observation. As an economist, I have heard/read something about free market economy 🙂 Sorry, but I don’t understand your point. I live in the inner city (an old panel building, by the way) and don’t want to change that. I work in Brandenburg, so I commute out of the city every day. But I never thought about moving out there—too many disadvantages. Public transport is almost nonexistent; without a car, nothing works. Sorry not to fit the cliché.
So, for 200,000 euros plus additional costs for the plot, you can take many very luxurious weekend and vacation trips.
I would seriously reconsider that.
Apart from that, for 200,000 euros, you won’t get a 100m² (1,076 sq ft) house compliant with the Energy Saving Ordinance, including additional building costs, not even in Brandenburg.
I would seriously reconsider that.
Apart from that, for 200,000 euros, you won’t get a 100m² (1,076 sq ft) house compliant with the Energy Saving Ordinance, including additional building costs, not even in Brandenburg.
Patrick. schrieb:
Would you still build with a gas boiler, or is that outdated even for mainly summer use?I would still do it even for year-round use. I believe @Nordlys heats a bungalow of around 110 m² (1,184 sq ft) like that.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
We have received an offer for a turnkey bungalow of 88 m² (947 sq ft) built according to the Energy Saving Ordinance, including a gas boiler, underfloor heating, chimney for a fireplace, and electric roller shutters for around 250,000 euros. The price includes the foundation slab. I find the room layout quite suitable, but the fireplace does not seem to have enough space, and a few windows are missing. What do the experts think?

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