Dear forum,
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
11ant schrieb:
In a §34 building zone, you are allowed to build anything that fits in with the existing structures—so a house like the ones in the neighborhood, possibly smaller—but regardless of how rarely you plan to use it, you must always fully comply with the valid thermal insulation standards for year-round homes. Tiny houses are usually excluded for design reasons.
Considering the size of the plot, I would think about building a "second holiday unit," which you can leave unrented during the weeks you use it to have the house to yourself. For example, start with a small bungalow and add a converted attic with an external staircase. This way, a family of friends could also vacation there, and in between, renting out the holiday apartment could help finance the house a bit faster.
My situation is somewhat similar—without a holiday property—in the old federal states, the "dacha culture" is completely unknown; you’re referred to allotment garden plots for hobby gardening, and any opposition to recreational housing is considered landscape protection.We have considered a similar idea but would probably build just one unit to both rent out and use ourselves. Ideally, the development would be in a second row: rental in front, private at the back. However, there is already a building line setback, so the local building authority gave me little hope. Ultimately, a preliminary building inquiry could clarify this question. However, I was advised against it because processing times at the moment are unrealistic, and it is better to submit a detailed building application straight away. Are there house designs or providers particularly suited for rental purposes, or is it better to commission a custom design here?
GeradeSchräg schrieb:
Just to understand…
Why would you buy—or want to buy—a very large plot in a residential area (which others might use better) just to spend holidays there? If you go there only on weekends, it’s just work for you…We have been searching for a plot in this region for over two years; it’s very close to me since my childhood because of my grandparents. Given the current market, you simply won’t find exactly what you want, so we have gone through rural plots, foreclosures, and governmental real estate agencies. In the end, you have to evaluate concrete offers, and this one fits very well in terms of price and location. The municipality is not designating any new weekend settlements. On the contrary, existing urban sprawl is being prevented or reversed as much as possible.
Of course, a plot requires work. 🙂
Rumbi441 schrieb:
I would ask locally; only someone wanting to do a showcase project would do that for you.What do you mean by that? Local architects or prefabricated house providers?
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HausTmMike27 Sep 2021 22:59Tom1978 schrieb:
I looked up some information online. Drewnex builds year-round wooden houses for relatively low prices. The problem will probably be the building permit / planning permission. You might need to find an architect in Berlin who is fluent in both languages. Here is an example of such a house:

267,000 zl = about 60,000 €. What additional costs there might be, I don’t know. I know similar companies from Ukraine that also build Swedish-style houses. But it’s all complicated with approvals and energy saving regulations, building permit / planning permission, etc. However, for that price, something like this has to work. At least they do the wooden shell construction for around 50k.
Patrick. schrieb:
We have also considered this idea, but would probably build a single unit to both rent out and use ourselves. [...] Are there houses or providers that are particularly suitable for rentals, or is it better to have a custom design? For a holiday property that is partly rented out and partly owner-occupied, I would plan a private area that is not rented: a private room for family bedding, favorite cups/glasses, and similar items—things that are more comfortable not to share with strangers. I am happy to advise on the detailed design and foresee something like this for myself in the long term, though I have not yet developed it in detail.
Fully custom designs are often overrated, or standard plans are unnecessarily dismissed. Many of the solutions developed for one family (e.g., the Meiers or the Krauses) can, with small adaptations, work just as well for another (e.g., the Schulzes or the Beckers).
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No, the local carpenter with his five employees, or the neighbor who is an electrician, etc. etc.
I understand the original poster. When you live in the middle of the city, you want to be close to nature. You can’t afford a house in a rural area, so you take your money and build further outside the city, often with the option to live there permanently at some point.
I understand the original poster. When you live in the middle of the city, you want to be close to nature. You can’t afford a house in a rural area, so you take your money and build further outside the city, often with the option to live there permanently at some point.
Rumbi441 schrieb:
No, the local carpenter with his 5 employees, or the neighbor who is an electrician, and so on.
I understand the original poster. If you live in the middle of the city, you want to be close to nature. You can’t afford a house in the countryside, so you take your money and build further out, probably with the option to eventually live there permanently.Well. I’m thinking of the woman in my office who is desperately looking for a plot or a used house in Brandenburg. But she can’t find anything because Berliners come and buy them at two to three times the market value. Everyone wants to be in Berlin, but they end up moving to Brandenburg anyway. 😎
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