Dear forum,
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
We live in Berlin and are about to purchase a building plot in Brandenburg:
- 1200 m² (13,000 sq ft)
- Building land according to §34
- No zoning plan; according to the building authority, 1.5 stories are permitted
- Formerly forest, completely cleared
We do not plan to live there permanently but want to use the plot for weekends and holidays. Ideally, we would have liked to simply put a mobile home or holiday cabin on the land and use it. But that is apparently not allowed, or at least a building permit is always required, and energy saving regulations must be met, correct?
What we want (if it has to be a "proper" residential house):
- 80–100 m² (860–1,080 sq ft) of living space
- Preferably with open ceilings and/or a gallery
- Fireplace
- Good connection between indoor living area and garden
- €150,000 (max. €200,000) plus additional construction costs
What are your suggestions for creating affordable living space? I am reluctant to finance a prefabricated house costing around €250,000–300,000 just for weekend use.
We have already looked at:
- Thule Kubus
- Nordic Haus Igelmann
- Bien-Zenker Ambience Bungalows - 77 - V4
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hampshire30 Sep 2021 08:26Patrick. schrieb:
I was referring to the fact that I can’t just park the camper van on the empty plot and stay there overnight. For that, you would probably need
1. a designated parking space on the property
2. overnight stays wouldn’t be allowed anyway I would double-check that statement. Staying overnight in a camper van on your own property is generally not a problem; only long-term living might be restricted. Depending on the duration of your stays, this could be a viable option. Add a nice garage barn and you’re all set. We often stay overnight on private land in our camper van (just a panel van). It’s the perfect way to visit friends—no drive home, no hassle for the hosts, no need to coordinate when everyone gets tired…
hampshire schrieb:
I would double-check that statement. Overnight stays in a camper van on your own property are generally not an issue, only permanent residence might be problematic. Depending on the length of your stays, that could be a viable solution. A nice garage barn on the side, and you’re set. We often stay overnight on private land in a camper van (just a panel van). It’s the perfect way to visit friends. No drive home, no effort for the hosts, no need to arrange who gets tired when…I will ask again, but unfortunately I have already raised this issue several times. You would need a registered parking space (which would probably be located only at the property boundary), and as soon as you spend the night in it, it becomes living space that requires a building permit / planning permission. It seems more practical soon to just “do it.” Does a temporarily used building necessarily have to comply with the energy-saving regulations? I am thinking of simple log cabins or solidly built small houses, heatable with a fireplace and infrared heating for frost protection.
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hampshire30 Sep 2021 17:04Question about “how long can I stay with a motorhome on my own property off-grid?” You don’t need a pitch with utility connections for this. The main limitation is always the toilet; gas, electricity, water, and wastewater in the motorhome are no problem for over a week if properly equipped. If you build a small shelter with utility connections, you are not subject to the energy saving regulations, yet you still have a toilet and possibly a shower. Electricity via an extension cord is not an issue and even beneficial for the refrigerator, which then does not have to run on gas.
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altoderneu11 Mar 2022 12:2511ant schrieb:
However, no matter how rarely you plan to use it, always fully comply with the valid thermal insulation standards applicable to year-round houses.I find
Building Energy Act § 2 Scope of Application
(1) ...
(2) With the exception of §§ 74 to 78, this law does not apply to
...
8. Residential buildings that
a) are intended for a usage period of less than four months per year, or
b) are intended for a limited annual usage period and whose expected energy consumption for the limited annual usage period is less than 25 percent of the expected energy consumption for year-round use, and
...
§§ 74 to 78 concern the "Energy Inspection of Air Conditioning Systems"—so these should be irrelevant for a weekend house without air conditioning.
What is the basis for your differing assessment?
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altoderneu11 Mar 2022 12:31GeradeSchräg schrieb:
Why would someone buy or want to buy a very large plot of land in a residential area ... just to spend holidays there? I am going to look at an 800 sqm (8600 sq ft) plot this weekend ... located in a small village and developed with an old barn ...
The land value based on the "official" standard land price would be 24,000 euros – the asking price is 35,000 euros higher (but explicitly stated as "negotiable").
I would only want to use it as a "dacha" type holiday home, not as a sole or main residence
(with the ground floor of the barn used as a garage for the car not in use at the time – sometimes the everyday car, sometimes the camper van, plus a small workshop corner and storage space).
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