ᐅ Single-family house of approximately 200 sqm with a double garage on a trapezoidal lot
Created on: 5 May 2023 15:45
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Mucuc18
Hello dear house building forum community!
After carefully reading along for a while, I would now like to share our current design for constructive feedback.
Below are the usual details; south is at the bottom of the site plan:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size | 512sqm (5509 sq ft)
Slope | No
Site coverage ratio | 160sqm (1722 sq ft) building footprint allowed for main building (+140sqm (1507 sq ft) overrun permitted for other structures)
Number of parking spaces | min. 1.5
Roof type | SD / WD or similar (mansard roofs are common in the area)
Maximum heights / limits | Ridge height 9.4m (31 ft) | Eaves height 6.5m (21 ft)
Additional requirements | Setbacks of 0.4 times the building height on two sides, 0.8 times the building height on other sides
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof shape, building type | classic mansard-hipped roof, somewhat modern interpretation
Basement, floors | Ground floor, first floor, attic + basement
Number of occupants, ages | 2 (30 yrs, 33 yrs) + 1 (0 yrs) + occasional visitors
Space needs on ground floor, first floor | approx. 80–90sqm (860–970 sq ft) each for ground and first floors
Office | 1 office space needed for home office
Guest accommodation per year | to be determined, sometimes longer visits
Open or closed layout | rather open, but with adequate sound insulation and privacy
Conservative or modern construction | rather modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island | large open kitchen with island is important
Seating for dining | 4–6 seats regularly available, with option to extend
Fireplace | yes
Music / stereo wall | no, flexible hi-fi system
Balcony, roof terrace | no
Garage, carport | double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse | garden with beds and 2–3 trees, enclosed by hedge
House Design
Planner: architect & own ideas/drawings
What do you like most? Why? Separate parents’ floor, spacious open living area, straight staircase, number of rooms on first floor (flexibility), sufficient wardrobe space, staircase separated from living room
What do you dislike? Why? Location possibilities for heat pump outdoor unit, attic possibly has somewhat excessive space that might not be used efficiently (sloping ceilings)
Cost estimate by architect/planner: none so far
Budget for house including equipment: 1.4–1.5 million
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/features
- can be omitted: fireplace, pool, possibly double garage
- cannot be omitted: preferably a “large” garden
Why was the design developed this way? For example,
A mix of own ideas and architect’s input, along with several rounds of improvements over recent weeks. The main focus is on maintaining as much contiguous garden space as possible on a relatively small lot. Therefore, a setback on the east side is planned to comply with setbacks on the trapezoidal plot. The three floors plus basement help keep the house footprint small and separate the parents’ area from the children/guest area. We feel our wishes are well implemented in the current floor plan. Minor details such as window dimensions still need adjustment (e.g., equal-sized windows on the first floor west side, possibly a slightly larger sliding door on the ground floor, etc.).
What is the most important / basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see potential for improvement that we should consider or any no-gos we need to rethink? We are quite happy with the current status but appreciate input on aspects we may have overlooked or rationalized too optimistically.
Ground Floor
First Floor
Attic
Basement
Section
South Elevation
East Elevation
West Elevation
After carefully reading along for a while, I would now like to share our current design for constructive feedback.
Below are the usual details; south is at the bottom of the site plan:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size | 512sqm (5509 sq ft)
Slope | No
Site coverage ratio | 160sqm (1722 sq ft) building footprint allowed for main building (+140sqm (1507 sq ft) overrun permitted for other structures)
Number of parking spaces | min. 1.5
Roof type | SD / WD or similar (mansard roofs are common in the area)
Maximum heights / limits | Ridge height 9.4m (31 ft) | Eaves height 6.5m (21 ft)
Additional requirements | Setbacks of 0.4 times the building height on two sides, 0.8 times the building height on other sides
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof shape, building type | classic mansard-hipped roof, somewhat modern interpretation
Basement, floors | Ground floor, first floor, attic + basement
Number of occupants, ages | 2 (30 yrs, 33 yrs) + 1 (0 yrs) + occasional visitors
Space needs on ground floor, first floor | approx. 80–90sqm (860–970 sq ft) each for ground and first floors
Office | 1 office space needed for home office
Guest accommodation per year | to be determined, sometimes longer visits
Open or closed layout | rather open, but with adequate sound insulation and privacy
Conservative or modern construction | rather modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island | large open kitchen with island is important
Seating for dining | 4–6 seats regularly available, with option to extend
Fireplace | yes
Music / stereo wall | no, flexible hi-fi system
Balcony, roof terrace | no
Garage, carport | double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse | garden with beds and 2–3 trees, enclosed by hedge
House Design
Planner: architect & own ideas/drawings
What do you like most? Why? Separate parents’ floor, spacious open living area, straight staircase, number of rooms on first floor (flexibility), sufficient wardrobe space, staircase separated from living room
What do you dislike? Why? Location possibilities for heat pump outdoor unit, attic possibly has somewhat excessive space that might not be used efficiently (sloping ceilings)
Cost estimate by architect/planner: none so far
Budget for house including equipment: 1.4–1.5 million
Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/features
- can be omitted: fireplace, pool, possibly double garage
- cannot be omitted: preferably a “large” garden
Why was the design developed this way? For example,
A mix of own ideas and architect’s input, along with several rounds of improvements over recent weeks. The main focus is on maintaining as much contiguous garden space as possible on a relatively small lot. Therefore, a setback on the east side is planned to comply with setbacks on the trapezoidal plot. The three floors plus basement help keep the house footprint small and separate the parents’ area from the children/guest area. We feel our wishes are well implemented in the current floor plan. Minor details such as window dimensions still need adjustment (e.g., equal-sized windows on the first floor west side, possibly a slightly larger sliding door on the ground floor, etc.).
What is the most important / basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Do you see potential for improvement that we should consider or any no-gos we need to rethink? We are quite happy with the current status but appreciate input on aspects we may have overlooked or rationalized too optimistically.
Ground Floor
First Floor
Attic
Basement
Section
South Elevation
East Elevation
West Elevation
Mucuc18 schrieb:
We had the impression that this might be sufficient, especially since we are under 1.80 meters (5 ft 11 in) and can still stand a bit behind the 2-meter (6 ft 7 in) line.Well, RBM means that for walls and such, as well as the sloped roof, you still have plaster coming off. Then floor covering... then you don’t place the bed right against the wall, and actually the bed isn’t exactly 2 meters (6 ft 7 in) long but more like 2.20 meters (7 ft 3 in) with the frame. …Mucuc18 schrieb:
However, the wall will cover a small part of the window (presumably manageable?)No, that’s not acceptable. You need to allow 1.60 meters (5 ft 3 in) for the shower. Then use a shower curtain. Teenagers don’t clean.Mucuc18 schrieb:
Later on, they probably won’t bathe much anymore, and if they do, they can easily go up the stairs to the bathroom.… they actually like to bathe at night after coming back from the club 😉Mucuc18 schrieb:
Offhand, I think we can live quite well with that.… after they’ve scattered their shoes in front of the closets 🙂kbt09 schrieb:
Is the budget only for the house or does it also include the land and other aspects?Yes, the questionnaire asks about the house including fixtures and fittings. For me, that means the house including demolition of the existing building, kitchen, landscaping, pool, and possibly built-in furniture (in descending order of priority).ypg schrieb:
Well, RBM means that with the walls and so on, as well as the sloped roof, there’s still plaster to be applied. Then comes the floor covering… so you don’t put the bed directly against the wall, and actually, the bed isn’t really 2 meters long, but with the frame it’s 2.20 meters (7 feet 3 inches). …Yes, good point, we probably need to look at the details again. Although the floor covering should be included?ypg schrieb:
No, that won’t work. You need to plan for 1.60 meters (5 feet 3 inches) for the shower. Then use a curtain. Teenagers don’t clean.Okay, I thought 1.40 meters (4 feet 7 inches) would be enough. That also explains why, despite multiple requests for a walk-in shower, there’s always ended up being a door. Then maybe we could consider swapping the shower and the toilet and putting the shower in the corner...ypg schrieb:
Then use a curtain. Teenagers don’t clean.
…they like to bathe at night after the club 😉
…after they’ve scattered their shoes in front of the wardrobes 🙂Okay, I’ll take that on board, mainly as a parenting tip 😀
Mucuc18 schrieb:
I’m glad that the mansard roof brings joy not only to us. The cost factor certainly doesn’t help preserve this roof style in new construction. In Munich, it’s seen more often, especially with terraced houses, semi-detached houses, and so on, where it’s quite effective to gain extra space in the attic—a significant factor considering the insane land prices. No, the main culprit here is not just the gardener (cost), but together with the butler (zoning regulations). On the one hand, it rarely appears in catalog listings like "SD / PD / WD," and it’s usually the height restrictions that deal the fatal blow: as a roof with two slopes, it faces the issue of a kind of "lower ridge height," which can be harshly criticized, but as an "upper eaves height," it is seen as too high. Hardly anyone dares to build standalone houses with it. The mansard hip roof shown here is costly not because of the mansard shape or the hip itself, but because of the tent-like form. As a two-stage gable roof, the mansard roof would deserve to take the place of the upper story of the substituted villa in popularity, and a clipped gable roof could optimize it further for solar panels. But given the reduction in apple varieties in discount grocery stores, it’s almost a "logical continuation" to impoverish the genetic diversity of architectural culture as well. Therefore— even where it is motivated only by Munich’s prices—my heartfelt thanks to everyone contributing to save the mansard roof from extinction!
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Mucuc18 schrieb:
Yes, the questionnaire asks for the house including fittings; for me, that means: house including demolition of the existing building, kitchen, landscaping, pool, and possibly built-in furniture (in descending order of priority) No, "personal price limit for the house, including fittings," refers to the house excluding the land or in relation to the land. The land and additional construction-related costs are not part of the house costs.
ypg schrieb:
No, "Personal price limit for the house, including fittings:" is without the land or regarding the land. The land and additional building costs are not part of the house costs.Ok. Buying the land is separate, that’s clear. Based on our estimates, we should be able to manage well (including the other cost items I mentioned).
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