ᐅ Realistic Cost Estimate: Single-Family Home with Challenging Site Access
Created on: 20 Jan 2023 10:50
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schmeissrein
Hello everyone,
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
I have been following this forum for a while and first of all, a big thank you to everyone who shares their advice here and sometimes also speaks hard truths. I didn’t originally want to create a new thread but intended to form an opinion based on other discussions. However, you convinced me that this building project is too individual for that. So here is our plan:
- Building a new single-family house in the far north of Germany (Schleswig-Flensburg region).
- Plot size is over 1000sqm (10,764 sq ft).
- Total square meters are not so important as long as the layout works.
- Basement is not planned.
What we would like:
- Open-plan kitchen-living area of at least 36m² (388 sq ft).
- Guest room (at least 10m² / 108 sq ft) and small guest bathroom with shower on the ground floor, so that in old age, with disability, or a broken leg, the ground floor can be used independently and possibly serve as a bedroom.
- Utility room / storage room / pantry with heat pump of at least 8m² (86 sq ft) (KfW 40 standard would be great, of course).
- Upper floor with three rooms (1 office, 1 master bedroom, 1 child’s room) each at least 14m² (151 sq ft) and one bathroom. Our dream would be a “walk-in” (what a silly word – aren’t all showers walk-in?) shower to avoid having to clean those limescale-rusty, annoying shower enclosures.
- We could contribute labor for garden landscaping and painting/wallpapering; otherwise, we would prefer a turnkey build.
As for the house style, regionally typical Frisian houses or captain’s houses (with all the “cute” features like small gables, etc.) are in consideration, or also not completely unimaginative “normal” single-family houses. We are not afraid of Bauhaus-style concrete marvels either, but those tend to be more expensive. In terms of fittings, no “gold-plated faucets” and no smart home – but decent and presentable.
The big BUT: the plot is not connected to utilities, and the distance to the street is about 65m (213 ft), of which 50m (164 ft) is a paved driveway and paved parking area that would have to be dug up (across another property). The connection costs and incidental construction costs worry us quite a bit. Does anyone have experience with such a “mammoth connection” for a relatively small building project? What realistic costs should we expect for both?
We would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this project, thank you very much in advance!
schmeissrein21 May 2023 20:59ypg schrieb:
Could you please provide a sketch as well? A furnished floor plan?
We are less interested in the patterned wallpaper and more in the dimensions and distances 🙂What, how can you not be interested in those 😀? Please don’t pay too much attention to the staircase here, there was no shape like the one we have planned.
schmeissrein schrieb:
We used the 3D planning to check if our furniture fits into the house. And to try out a jungle wallpaper and other silly little details 😀 And, of course, just to help visualize it. Hopefully, the people who know what they’re doing (like the structural engineer who approves it) will check if the head fits under the stairs.
If you get to visit your own house in advance, during the virtual walkthrough you naturally imagine carrying the cabinets up the stairs and check whether you avoid hitting either the cabinet or your head on the way???
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@schmeissrein ... you’re not seriously expecting anyone to provide a feasibility assessment of your staircase based on the snippet labeled "professional drawing" from post 300, are you? The precise measurements are missing, and it looks either very tight or quite steep with a maximum tread depth of 25 cm (10 inches). What is the floor-to-floor height, not the rough construction height, of the house?
schmeissrein21 May 2023 21:22kbt09 schrieb:
@schmeissrein ... Surely you don’t seriously expect anyone to give a feasibility assessment of your staircase from the snippet labeled "professional drawing" in post 300. The precise dimensions are missing, and it either looks very tight or quite steep with a maximum tread depth of 25 cm (10 inches). What is the floor-to-floor height, not the raw construction height, of the house?No, I don’t expect that from you, but from the construction team later on 🙂 I thought the drawing might help reduce your concerns somewhat, but of course, our contractors need to judge it. The floor-to-floor height should be about 256 cm (100.8 inches), but I wouldn’t bet on that number, sorry. I’ll know more once the sectional drawings come in.
Well, at least the staircase with the shortened starting side fits better than one with equal tread lengths. I think this clears up some of the misunderstanding.
Whether the staircase works was probably not @schmeissrein’s question (I don’t recall), but rather a consequence of the program’s incorrect drawing.
What I personally don’t like about the house, whether you take anything from it or not, is up to you:
There is no east-facing window. The utility room is therefore unpleasant to enter—why would anyone want to access the house through it? I take off my shoes first and then handle the groceries, which are mostly stored in the refrigerator. The kitchen is far too dark. I also find the dining area much too dark.
The kitchen layout feels too divided and therefore the work triangle too large.
The walk-in closet accessed through the bedroom doesn’t make sense. The door is positioned just under the 2-meter (6.6-foot) line.
I’ll leave the bathroom out since that has already been discussed.
Whether the staircase works was probably not @schmeissrein’s question (I don’t recall), but rather a consequence of the program’s incorrect drawing.
What I personally don’t like about the house, whether you take anything from it or not, is up to you:
There is no east-facing window. The utility room is therefore unpleasant to enter—why would anyone want to access the house through it? I take off my shoes first and then handle the groceries, which are mostly stored in the refrigerator. The kitchen is far too dark. I also find the dining area much too dark.
The kitchen layout feels too divided and therefore the work triangle too large.
The walk-in closet accessed through the bedroom doesn’t make sense. The door is positioned just under the 2-meter (6.6-foot) line.
I’ll leave the bathroom out since that has already been discussed.
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