ᐅ Photovoltaics at Any Cost – Current Situation and Available Options
Created on: 31 Jul 2022 13:22
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Hello everyone,
After countless rejections due to overload, availability, and delivery issues, I have finally received an offer for a photovoltaic system.
The system is planned for our new build (completion in 2023). We have a gable roof, almost south-facing, with a 30-degree pitch, fully usable, about 50 sqm (540 sq ft) of roof area per side.
The house is being built in Bavaria, about 60 km (37 miles) from Thuringia.
The offer surprised me a bit. The following items are included:
14x MAXEON modules at 430 W each, heat pump system, totaling 6.02 kWp - €11,138
1x Tesla Powerwall 2.0, 13.5 kWh - €10,400
Installation, etc. - €3,130
Total: €24,668 net
I find that quite expensive. I would leave out the battery anyway, but even then, I think the price for the 6 kWp system is too high. Apparently, this is currently the price you pay in Bavaria if you can find someone at all. For me, the question is whether it even makes sense to invest right now or just pay for electricity. Of course, it’s a matter of calculation, but if you follow the discussions here, those prices seem sky-high — or not?
Is it better to get offers from other regions? Are there any recommendations around the 97XXX area?
After countless rejections due to overload, availability, and delivery issues, I have finally received an offer for a photovoltaic system.
The system is planned for our new build (completion in 2023). We have a gable roof, almost south-facing, with a 30-degree pitch, fully usable, about 50 sqm (540 sq ft) of roof area per side.
The house is being built in Bavaria, about 60 km (37 miles) from Thuringia.
The offer surprised me a bit. The following items are included:
14x MAXEON modules at 430 W each, heat pump system, totaling 6.02 kWp - €11,138
1x Tesla Powerwall 2.0, 13.5 kWh - €10,400
Installation, etc. - €3,130
Total: €24,668 net
I find that quite expensive. I would leave out the battery anyway, but even then, I think the price for the 6 kWp system is too high. Apparently, this is currently the price you pay in Bavaria if you can find someone at all. For me, the question is whether it even makes sense to invest right now or just pay for electricity. Of course, it’s a matter of calculation, but if you follow the discussions here, those prices seem sky-high — or not?
Is it better to get offers from other regions? Are there any recommendations around the 97XXX area?
SaniererNRW123 schrieb:
Monthly submissions have long been outdated. These days, it’s quarterly. In Bavaria, this has been standard since (I believe 2021); in North Rhine-Westphalia, it applies if VAT is below €7,500 per year; in Hesse, it’s basically quarterly. Other federal states are similar.
So now it’s only four times a year—the three clicks each time. In the founding year, the VAT amount is unknown to the tax office, so the default is to submit VAT returns monthly in the first year. After that, everything can be adjusted. I recommend attaching an informal letter with the first annual VAT return to request switching to annual submissions only.
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SaniererNRW12318 Aug 2022 09:58guckuck2 schrieb:
In the founding year, the amount of VAT (to the tax office) is unknown; therefore, the standard is to submit monthly VAT returns during the first year. Actually, you are mistaken. The current standard is quarterly submissions. I can confirm this from my own experience as well as from publicly available information on the tax authorities’ websites, which support my statement. I commissioned two systems in recent years (most recently last year). Quarterly submissions were never even requested; they were explicitly required by the tax office. By the way, the expected amount of VAT is asked for in the questionnaire.
P.S. I checked briefly with some tax authorities:
Bavaria:
North Rhine-Westphalia:
Hesse:
Rhineland-Palatinate:
Baden-Württemberg:
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SaniererNRW12318 Aug 2022 10:12guckuck2 schrieb:
Thanks for the update!You’re welcome!It helps anyone new to this who might initially think it involves an insane amount of paperwork – which it actually doesn’t.
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fromthisplace18 Aug 2022 10:26Hey everyone,
our system has now been installed, and the battery storage will follow soon. The roof accommodates 10.5 kW. The battery has a capacity of 10 kW.
Can you tell me where I can find the necessary information about what I need to take care of and by when?
I have started looking into the issue of sales tax / value-added tax, but I haven’t fully understood it yet. Could you advise me on what would make sense for my system and me? The goal is to save money. I am willing to accept additional effort in the form of tax filings for this.
our system has now been installed, and the battery storage will follow soon. The roof accommodates 10.5 kW. The battery has a capacity of 10 kW.
Can you tell me where I can find the necessary information about what I need to take care of and by when?
I have started looking into the issue of sales tax / value-added tax, but I haven’t fully understood it yet. Could you advise me on what would make sense for my system and me? The goal is to save money. I am willing to accept additional effort in the form of tax filings for this.
guckuck2 schrieb:
If you are about to lose several thousand euros by waiving the VAT input deduction, it’s better to spend a fraction of that on an accountant. We’re talking about 12 monthly VAT returns (three clicks via Elster) in the first year and 5 annual VAT returns (four clicks via Elster) until the reduction of input tax entitlement. If you are a member of the income tax assistance association, they cannot handle this for you, and you have to go to an accountant, which costs me an additional 500 euros per year.
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