ᐅ Photovoltaics at Any Cost – Current Situation and Available Options
Created on: 31 Jul 2022 13:22
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HnghusBY
Hello everyone,
After countless rejections due to overload, availability, and delivery issues, I have finally received an offer for a photovoltaic system.
The system is planned for our new build (completion in 2023). We have a gable roof, almost south-facing, with a 30-degree pitch, fully usable, about 50 sqm (540 sq ft) of roof area per side.
The house is being built in Bavaria, about 60 km (37 miles) from Thuringia.
The offer surprised me a bit. The following items are included:
14x MAXEON modules at 430 W each, heat pump system, totaling 6.02 kWp - €11,138
1x Tesla Powerwall 2.0, 13.5 kWh - €10,400
Installation, etc. - €3,130
Total: €24,668 net
I find that quite expensive. I would leave out the battery anyway, but even then, I think the price for the 6 kWp system is too high. Apparently, this is currently the price you pay in Bavaria if you can find someone at all. For me, the question is whether it even makes sense to invest right now or just pay for electricity. Of course, it’s a matter of calculation, but if you follow the discussions here, those prices seem sky-high — or not?
Is it better to get offers from other regions? Are there any recommendations around the 97XXX area?
After countless rejections due to overload, availability, and delivery issues, I have finally received an offer for a photovoltaic system.
The system is planned for our new build (completion in 2023). We have a gable roof, almost south-facing, with a 30-degree pitch, fully usable, about 50 sqm (540 sq ft) of roof area per side.
The house is being built in Bavaria, about 60 km (37 miles) from Thuringia.
The offer surprised me a bit. The following items are included:
14x MAXEON modules at 430 W each, heat pump system, totaling 6.02 kWp - €11,138
1x Tesla Powerwall 2.0, 13.5 kWh - €10,400
Installation, etc. - €3,130
Total: €24,668 net
I find that quite expensive. I would leave out the battery anyway, but even then, I think the price for the 6 kWp system is too high. Apparently, this is currently the price you pay in Bavaria if you can find someone at all. For me, the question is whether it even makes sense to invest right now or just pay for electricity. Of course, it’s a matter of calculation, but if you follow the discussions here, those prices seem sky-high — or not?
Is it better to get offers from other regions? Are there any recommendations around the 97XXX area?
KingJulien schrieb:
Have you tried asking in a specialized forum?
I don’t know how busy they are, but I got a good offer back then (while the local providers mostly didn’t respond due to lack of interest). I’ll give that a try, thanks for the suggestion!
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
I don’t understand why only 14 modules are supposed to fit on 2x 50m² (538ft²)?
I mean (without having calculated it exactly) at least 32 modules should fit, that is 16 per side.
And yes, the price is shocking. Maybe at around 13.1 kWp a better price/performance ratio?
Still, I think it would pay off with the expected 50 cents per kWh, but my crystal ball is very, very cloudy. Of course, you could install more. That was just an initial offer tailored to our estimated consumption with a heat pump. I don’t think the price/performance ratio will be better with that offer 😀
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DaGoodness31 Jul 2022 15:24Chloe83 schrieb:
We are paying 24,000 euros for 12.87 kWp without storage, including installation. Delivery this year in Rhineland-Palatinate. Quite a steep price.
HnghusBY schrieb:
Of course, it could be more—that was an initial offer adjusted to our estimated consumption with a heat pump. I don’t believe the price/performance ratio will get any better with that offer 😀 But 6 kWp adjusted to cover household electricity plus heat pump consumption? What’s the point?
I would fully cover both sides as i_b_n_a_n already suggests. That way, you get a good surplus in summer and effectively finance part of your winter consumption. And with a capacity of 13 kWp or more, you’ll at least have enough production on sunny winter days to offset some of the base load.
With electricity prices rising currently, you can save quite quickly.
HnghusBY schrieb:
I’ll give it a try, thanks for the tip!
Of course, more would be possible; this was an initial offer tailored to our estimated consumption with a heat pump. I don’t think the price/performance ratio would get any better with that offer 😀 Why offers are made “to match estimated consumption” will probably remain one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of humanity and at the same time one of the most ridiculous arguments from providers. I have yet to see an offer where the kWp between roughly a 6 kWp and a 13 kWp system did not drop significantly (but what is really significant these days anyway?).
The offer isn’t that bad when you consider the price including the battery. I believe it also includes the inverter and quite a few display and analysis options. Even though many say batteries don’t pay off, I would say it depends on the price per kWh and future electricity prices. The alternative is to bet on the future with stagnant or declining electricity prices, but unfortunately I think most who bet on that will lose.
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WilderSueden31 Jul 2022 15:47i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
The offer isn’t that bad when you consider the price including the storage. Although that is actually a bit of creative accounting. The storage system is completely mismatched to the actual demand. It’s too large for the system and probably also too large for electricity consumption during the summer.
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RotorMotor31 Jul 2022 16:59At 30 degrees Celsius (86°F), I wouldn’t fully use the north side. With prices like these, it’s never really worth it, right?!
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