Hello everyone,
We are currently in the decision-making phase for the appliances for our future Schüller country-style kitchen, and we are still quite undecided, especially on this point.
Range hood:
Visually, a retro-style range hood would probably fit best. However, these are usually quite expensive (for example, from Smeg). At the moment, we have planned for an AEG X68163BV10. However, this does not seem to be the best option in this price range. Does anyone have suggestions?
Refrigerator:
For aesthetic reasons, we chose the Geronje ONRK193C. Is it any good? (It costs around 1,100 EUR — we will not buy this together with the kitchen.)
Oven:
For the oven, it was important to us that it has as little stainless steel as possible (we don’t like that) and includes a pyrolytic self-cleaning function. We narrowed it down to three models (Siemens, Bosch, and Neff). Among these, the following Siemens model was the favorite regarding price/performance: Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6.
Cooktop (Induction):
We are still uncertain here. Currently, the AEG HK6542H1FB cooktop is planned. However, this also doesn’t seem to be the best choice for the price. Perhaps you have better suggestions? But please nothing much more expensive.
Dishwasher:
For the dishwasher, a Neff GX665 (S52P65X0EU) was recommended to us. However, I have read online that models with zeolite technology are also popular right now. With Siemens/Bosch, there are many reports of problems (error code "E31") online... So we are also quite unsure here.
We are really looking forward to your help and tips.
Thank you very much!
Gatho
We are currently in the decision-making phase for the appliances for our future Schüller country-style kitchen, and we are still quite undecided, especially on this point.
Range hood:
Visually, a retro-style range hood would probably fit best. However, these are usually quite expensive (for example, from Smeg). At the moment, we have planned for an AEG X68163BV10. However, this does not seem to be the best option in this price range. Does anyone have suggestions?
Refrigerator:
For aesthetic reasons, we chose the Geronje ONRK193C. Is it any good? (It costs around 1,100 EUR — we will not buy this together with the kitchen.)
Oven:
For the oven, it was important to us that it has as little stainless steel as possible (we don’t like that) and includes a pyrolytic self-cleaning function. We narrowed it down to three models (Siemens, Bosch, and Neff). Among these, the following Siemens model was the favorite regarding price/performance: Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6.
Cooktop (Induction):
We are still uncertain here. Currently, the AEG HK6542H1FB cooktop is planned. However, this also doesn’t seem to be the best choice for the price. Perhaps you have better suggestions? But please nothing much more expensive.
Dishwasher:
For the dishwasher, a Neff GX665 (S52P65X0EU) was recommended to us. However, I have read online that models with zeolite technology are also popular right now. With Siemens/Bosch, there are many reports of problems (error code "E31") online... So we are also quite unsure here.
We are really looking forward to your help and tips.
Thank you very much!
Gatho
Good morning,
We are now quite certain about the oven, choosing between the three models mentioned. The price will then be the deciding factor at the showroom. See: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Küchengeräte-bitte-um-Rat.16150/page-2#post-139002
Regarding Miele:
We ourselves own a Miele washing machine and a Miele vacuum cleaner, and we are very satisfied with both. However, the current plan includes a specific budget, and a Miele setup would exceed that. That’s why we are going with Bosch/Siemens and Neff instead.
Good luck
Gatho
We are now quite certain about the oven, choosing between the three models mentioned. The price will then be the deciding factor at the showroom. See: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Küchengeräte-bitte-um-Rat.16150/page-2#post-139002
Regarding Miele:
We ourselves own a Miele washing machine and a Miele vacuum cleaner, and we are very satisfied with both. However, the current plan includes a specific budget, and a Miele setup would exceed that. That’s why we are going with Bosch/Siemens and Neff instead.
Good luck
Gatho
Hello dear kitchen experts,
I would like to ask for your opinion once again.
Since we are planning a country-style kitchen and all the modern range hoods unfortunately don’t really fit, my wife is now keen on a range hood from Smeg. However, this one is significantly more expensive than the originally planned AEG model (which wouldn’t have been chosen anyway), but also more costly than other range hoods from Siemens that we had looked at earlier. The model in question is the “KC19RAE” from Smeg. Do you have any experience with this brand? How would you rate the quality of their products?
Here are the performance figures (power & noise level) for the Smeg:
1st level: 326 m³/h (192 cfm) at 50 dB
2nd level: 439 m³/h (258 cfm) at 57 dB
3rd level: 549 m³/h (323 cfm) at 62 dB
4th level: 794 m³/h (467 cfm) at 71 dB (boost mode)
Energy efficiency class: A – Fan efficiency class: A – Lighting efficiency class: A – Grease filter efficiency class: C
Furthermore, we have a question regarding the cooktop.
Call me picky – we are exposed to so many types of radiation these days anyway... But why should we unnecessarily bring more radiation into the house (induction), when it can be avoided with a normal electric cooktop? Sure, induction definitely has appealing advantages, but is it really worth it? Even if the “risk” might seem exaggerated from today’s perspective, the radiation can hardly be beneficial. I certainly don’t want to cause panic here, but we have just thought that with a new/modern (especially regarding operation) electric cooktop, we can have just as much enjoyment. Sure, water doesn’t boil in seconds and the surface will have more cooking residues (more effort cleaning), but that should be manageable.
Since classic electric cooktops are almost considered outdated these days – is there anything specific to consider or do you perhaps have one or two models you can clearly recommend?
Best regards & thanks for your effort!
Gatho
I would like to ask for your opinion once again.
Since we are planning a country-style kitchen and all the modern range hoods unfortunately don’t really fit, my wife is now keen on a range hood from Smeg. However, this one is significantly more expensive than the originally planned AEG model (which wouldn’t have been chosen anyway), but also more costly than other range hoods from Siemens that we had looked at earlier. The model in question is the “KC19RAE” from Smeg. Do you have any experience with this brand? How would you rate the quality of their products?
Here are the performance figures (power & noise level) for the Smeg:
1st level: 326 m³/h (192 cfm) at 50 dB
2nd level: 439 m³/h (258 cfm) at 57 dB
3rd level: 549 m³/h (323 cfm) at 62 dB
4th level: 794 m³/h (467 cfm) at 71 dB (boost mode)
Energy efficiency class: A – Fan efficiency class: A – Lighting efficiency class: A – Grease filter efficiency class: C
Furthermore, we have a question regarding the cooktop.
Call me picky – we are exposed to so many types of radiation these days anyway... But why should we unnecessarily bring more radiation into the house (induction), when it can be avoided with a normal electric cooktop? Sure, induction definitely has appealing advantages, but is it really worth it? Even if the “risk” might seem exaggerated from today’s perspective, the radiation can hardly be beneficial. I certainly don’t want to cause panic here, but we have just thought that with a new/modern (especially regarding operation) electric cooktop, we can have just as much enjoyment. Sure, water doesn’t boil in seconds and the surface will have more cooking residues (more effort cleaning), but that should be manageable.
Since classic electric cooktops are almost considered outdated these days – is there anything specific to consider or do you perhaps have one or two models you can clearly recommend?
Best regards & thanks for your effort!
Gatho
Our hood reportedly has a sound pressure level of 44 dB on setting 3 – you can hear it very clearly, even in the living room (to be honest, I’m a bit skeptical about that specification). We have a ceramic cooktop because my wife agrees with your reasoning. It also works well… unfortunately, it still needs cleaning. Induction cooktops also usually take about a minute to boil water.
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nordanney24 Jun 2016 09:21Gatho schrieb:
This is about the model "KC19RAE" from Smeg. Do you have any experience with the company? How is the quality of their products rated? I don’t have personal experience, but the specifications don’t match the price. Especially, 50 dB on the lowest setting is quite loud – my cheaper Siemens, for example, offers 41 dB.
Gatho schrieb:
But why would you want to unnecessarily bring more radiation into the house (induction) An induction cooktop doesn’t emit “radiation” but generates a magnetic field. Similar to the Earth, which you probably don’t want to switch off. Do you turn off all your electricity to avoid any emissions from devices or the power supply?
In my opinion, a ceramic glass cooktop actually emits something much worse. It’s called heat, and it really hurts.
Gatho schrieb:
…that with a new/modern (especially regarding the controls) electric cooktop we will certainly have just as much enjoyment Well, once you have used induction, you’ll know why you don’t want to switch back. It’s simply much more comfortable due to how it works and the advantages that come with it. The only “disadvantage” is that not all pots and pans are compatible.
Gatho schrieb:
Hello dear kitchen experts, Let’s not exaggerate.
Gatho schrieb:
Nowadays we are exposed to so many sources of radiation.
But why would someone unnecessarily bring more radiation into the house (induction), when you can manage just fine with a regular electric cooktop? A long time ago, I asked a similar question.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/induktionsherd-Elektrosmog.9432/
In the end, I concluded: The same question could be asked this way – is it really necessary to have a mobile phone (radiation) or Wi-Fi in the house (radiation)?
And I bought an induction cooktop.
nordanney schrieb:
Well, once you’ve used induction, you know why you don’t want to go back. Its operation and the resulting benefits are simply much more comfortable. A friend of ours feels differently. She wants to return to a ceramic glass cooktop. However, since her kitchen is only 2 years old, she will probably have to live with it for now.
Good morning,
@BeHaElJa
Are you sure that your hood only produces a noise level of 44 dB on the third setting? What is the airflow volume in m³/h then? And most importantly, which model do you have? That would definitely be interesting to know.
@nordanney
You seem to confirm BeHaElJa’s impression that 50 dB on the lowest setting is already quite loud. That would be pretty bad, especially for an open-plan kitchen, if the lowest setting already makes the person in the living room have to turn the TV volume up twice as loud. "The values don’t match the price" – meaning Smeg is overpriced in this case (range hood).
For comparison, we found a visually more modern alternative to the originally mentioned AEG:
90 cm (35 inches) Siemens LC98KA671
Setting 1: 190 m³/h at 41 dB
Setting 2: no data found
Setting 3: 630 m³/h at 67 dB
Setting 4: 860 m³/h at 73 dB (intensive setting)
Or you could use fan modules installed in the “classic” retro housing, which is currently available for country-style kitchens. I found the Neff D58ML66N0, which has quite good values. However, this option plus the hood you would need to buy separately with the Schüller kitchen would probably be quite expensive:
Setting 1: 220 m³/h at 41 dB
Setting 2: no data found
Setting 3: 610 m³/h at 64 dB
Setting 4: 820 m³/h at 71 dB (intensive setting)
Regarding the induction cooktop:
Yes, an induction cooktop does not emit radiation per se but a magnetic field – that’s correct, I misspoke. It’s clear that the Earth has a magnetic field as well, which we obviously cannot avoid. However, the magnetic field from an induction cooktop can be avoided by not buying one. The argument "other things also emit fields" isn’t really helpful to justify that induction also produces magnetic fields.
I fully acknowledge the advantages of an induction cooktop and don’t want to downplay them, as that’s not my point. It’s just that you’re adding another device to your home that generates fields where we still don’t fully know how they affect the human body.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I’m not trying to cause alarm but just wanted to share our thoughts on the topic of induction.
We currently have a 60 cm (24 inches) ceramic glass cooktop/oven combo with five rotary knobs, convection, top/bottom heat, and that’s about it. So even moving to a "modern" electric cooktop would be a step forward for us. Technically (with the mentioned benefits of induction), maybe not as big a step as it could be, but an improvement nonetheless.
Maybe someone has suggestions or tips regarding electric cooktops?
@f-pNo
And why does your girlfriend want to switch back to a ceramic electric cooktop?
Thank you and best regards!
Gatho
@BeHaElJa
Are you sure that your hood only produces a noise level of 44 dB on the third setting? What is the airflow volume in m³/h then? And most importantly, which model do you have? That would definitely be interesting to know.
@nordanney
You seem to confirm BeHaElJa’s impression that 50 dB on the lowest setting is already quite loud. That would be pretty bad, especially for an open-plan kitchen, if the lowest setting already makes the person in the living room have to turn the TV volume up twice as loud. "The values don’t match the price" – meaning Smeg is overpriced in this case (range hood).
For comparison, we found a visually more modern alternative to the originally mentioned AEG:
90 cm (35 inches) Siemens LC98KA671
Setting 1: 190 m³/h at 41 dB
Setting 2: no data found
Setting 3: 630 m³/h at 67 dB
Setting 4: 860 m³/h at 73 dB (intensive setting)
Or you could use fan modules installed in the “classic” retro housing, which is currently available for country-style kitchens. I found the Neff D58ML66N0, which has quite good values. However, this option plus the hood you would need to buy separately with the Schüller kitchen would probably be quite expensive:
Setting 1: 220 m³/h at 41 dB
Setting 2: no data found
Setting 3: 610 m³/h at 64 dB
Setting 4: 820 m³/h at 71 dB (intensive setting)
Regarding the induction cooktop:
Yes, an induction cooktop does not emit radiation per se but a magnetic field – that’s correct, I misspoke. It’s clear that the Earth has a magnetic field as well, which we obviously cannot avoid. However, the magnetic field from an induction cooktop can be avoided by not buying one. The argument "other things also emit fields" isn’t really helpful to justify that induction also produces magnetic fields.
I fully acknowledge the advantages of an induction cooktop and don’t want to downplay them, as that’s not my point. It’s just that you’re adding another device to your home that generates fields where we still don’t fully know how they affect the human body.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I’m not trying to cause alarm but just wanted to share our thoughts on the topic of induction.
We currently have a 60 cm (24 inches) ceramic glass cooktop/oven combo with five rotary knobs, convection, top/bottom heat, and that’s about it. So even moving to a "modern" electric cooktop would be a step forward for us. Technically (with the mentioned benefits of induction), maybe not as big a step as it could be, but an improvement nonetheless.
Maybe someone has suggestions or tips regarding electric cooktops?
@f-pNo
And why does your girlfriend want to switch back to a ceramic electric cooktop?
Thank you and best regards!
Gatho
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