ᐅ Mid-terrace house near Stuttgart, looking for advice and support
Created on: 13 Feb 2022 21:41
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RMH FabiGood evening everyone,
we want to build a house, but we have no experience with this. So any help is very welcome. Thank you in advance.
Here are the basic details of the project.
Building plot:
Gifted by my dad. Very nice.
I still need the market value or actual price of the plot to fairly settle the inheritance with my sister.
Is it possible without an expert appraisal? Because that also costs around 2,000–3,000 euros.
166 sqm (1,786 sq ft), small but fine, in a district of Weinstadt.
There are already terraced houses on the right and left, see picture.
What will be built?
No basement, just a slab foundation.
Floor plan 7 m x 11 m (23 ft x 36 ft).
3 full floors.
Attic converted.
The neighbor with the garage said he has about 170 sqm (1,830 sq ft) of living space. His house was built about 25 years ago.
Where do we stand?
Well, basically at the beginning and I don't think we know what we really need to know.
I think we are already quite limited by the regulations.
On the ground floor there should be a cellar compartment, laundry room, and a small office.
On the 1st floor living/dining room and kitchen, guest toilet.
On the 2nd floor 2 children's rooms, 1 master bedroom, daylight bathroom.
Attic: wish for a roof terrace and basically a guest room, possibly a toilet or shower toilet.
We also want a carport or garage with a terrace facing the street and something small at the back.
Please feel free to share ideas and suggestions — what must I consider when planning?
We don’t want to plan without a clear direction.
Is there a simple floor plan tool?
I have already tried some free ones and didn’t like any.
I have now ordered A3 graph paper.
Construction method:
Today we visited the prefabricated home exhibition in Fellbach and had 3 conversations, 3 different opinions.
1. Schwörerhaus:
Didn’t want to hear much from us.
Said they are very flexible and can build almost completely custom.
The only limitation is no more than 3 full floors.
Otherwise, no disadvantages of timber frame construction.
He said, and this was strange, that if the contract is signed, the building permit (building permission/planning permission) would take 6 months?? This was dismissed as nonsense by exhibitor number 3.
Anyway, he said if someone signs a contract with Schwörerhaus today, they can move in within 2 years.
2. (Timber frame prefab, anonymous):
Immediately advised us to build with solid construction because of the offset of the walls relative to the neighbors.
Is that true?
Recommended Fermo and Pfeil.
I already researched and read something about them here in the forum.
Fermo is supposed to be very expensive but good.
Pfeil is apparently an old-school construction company and supposedly also great.
Was he honest or what?
He said about €3500 per sqm (about $325 per sq ft). That was a shock!
Is that the current reality? Can someone confirm?
3. Regnauer
We went there just because my wife liked it very much.
They are also flexible and build everything to order.
Price indication €3200 per sqm (about $297 per sq ft)??
So I will get started and get in touch with the construction companies:
My initial list will be:
Solid construction:
Schneider Bau Fellbach,
Pfeil Althütte,
Fermo,
Böpple,
Heinz von Heiden.
Timber frame:
Will schedule an appointment with Schwörerhaus, although they are not really a favorite.
Regnauer.
Are there any tips for specialists in terraced middle houses?
Any general advice?
Any tips about terraced middle houses?
What do I need to know at this point? What should I be thinking about?
Do I need to involve anyone for sure?
Thank you very much for any replies and have a nice Sunday.
we want to build a house, but we have no experience with this. So any help is very welcome. Thank you in advance.
Here are the basic details of the project.
Building plot:
Gifted by my dad. Very nice.
I still need the market value or actual price of the plot to fairly settle the inheritance with my sister.
Is it possible without an expert appraisal? Because that also costs around 2,000–3,000 euros.
166 sqm (1,786 sq ft), small but fine, in a district of Weinstadt.
There are already terraced houses on the right and left, see picture.
What will be built?
No basement, just a slab foundation.
Floor plan 7 m x 11 m (23 ft x 36 ft).
3 full floors.
Attic converted.
The neighbor with the garage said he has about 170 sqm (1,830 sq ft) of living space. His house was built about 25 years ago.
Where do we stand?
Well, basically at the beginning and I don't think we know what we really need to know.
I think we are already quite limited by the regulations.
On the ground floor there should be a cellar compartment, laundry room, and a small office.
On the 1st floor living/dining room and kitchen, guest toilet.
On the 2nd floor 2 children's rooms, 1 master bedroom, daylight bathroom.
Attic: wish for a roof terrace and basically a guest room, possibly a toilet or shower toilet.
We also want a carport or garage with a terrace facing the street and something small at the back.
Please feel free to share ideas and suggestions — what must I consider when planning?
We don’t want to plan without a clear direction.
Is there a simple floor plan tool?
I have already tried some free ones and didn’t like any.
I have now ordered A3 graph paper.
Construction method:
Today we visited the prefabricated home exhibition in Fellbach and had 3 conversations, 3 different opinions.
1. Schwörerhaus:
Didn’t want to hear much from us.
Said they are very flexible and can build almost completely custom.
The only limitation is no more than 3 full floors.
Otherwise, no disadvantages of timber frame construction.
He said, and this was strange, that if the contract is signed, the building permit (building permission/planning permission) would take 6 months?? This was dismissed as nonsense by exhibitor number 3.
Anyway, he said if someone signs a contract with Schwörerhaus today, they can move in within 2 years.
2. (Timber frame prefab, anonymous):
Immediately advised us to build with solid construction because of the offset of the walls relative to the neighbors.
Is that true?
Recommended Fermo and Pfeil.
I already researched and read something about them here in the forum.
Fermo is supposed to be very expensive but good.
Pfeil is apparently an old-school construction company and supposedly also great.
Was he honest or what?
He said about €3500 per sqm (about $325 per sq ft). That was a shock!
Is that the current reality? Can someone confirm?
3. Regnauer
We went there just because my wife liked it very much.
They are also flexible and build everything to order.
Price indication €3200 per sqm (about $297 per sq ft)??
So I will get started and get in touch with the construction companies:
My initial list will be:
Solid construction:
Schneider Bau Fellbach,
Pfeil Althütte,
Fermo,
Böpple,
Heinz von Heiden.
Timber frame:
Will schedule an appointment with Schwörerhaus, although they are not really a favorite.
Regnauer.
Are there any tips for specialists in terraced middle houses?
Any general advice?
Any tips about terraced middle houses?
What do I need to know at this point? What should I be thinking about?
Do I need to involve anyone for sure?
Thank you very much for any replies and have a nice Sunday.
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WilderSueden13 Feb 2022 22:30Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
What do I need to know now, and what should I be thinking about?You need to know what you actually want and what you can afford. What the zoning plan allows. And which costs come with building a house that are not included in the builder’s offer or often not included by all. Until you know this, you don’t need to talk to any construction company.Contacting 15 companies in your situation is highly counterproductive. It only wastes time and distracts you with detailed questions from what's essential. At the same time, each appointment will make you feel like everything is getting more expensive. In the end, you end up with numerous offers for completely different houses, comparing apples with pears, bananas, and oranges...
There is no shortage of companies that can build a completely custom-designed house. However, with the small plot and the rather unusual three full floors, I would not start by looking for a builder but rather an architect.
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Haussuche8513 Feb 2022 22:44Hi, congratulations on your plot of land.
We live in a mid-terrace house. I can share what has become important to me in retrospect:
We don’t hear anything from the neighbors; the construction is solid with partition wall panels between the houses and calcium silicate brick walls.
The stairs nowadays (this was specifically mentioned in the construction description, not sure if it’s that unusual) are mounted on special bearings, so you don’t hear noise from one floor to another.
I really like having three full floors. Unfortunately, we couldn’t choose the layout, but I find the German terrace house floor plans good, with the bathroom in the middle and the bedrooms on the exterior walls. Also, the ground floor has a separate kitchen, a guest toilet, and a cloakroom or stroller storage area.
I like that it’s always warm inside, and I love the ventilation system with heat recovery. I always dreamed of a wood-burning stove, but with the insulation, it would never be used and is totally unnecessary. It’s good we didn’t have the budget for that, and the architect advised against it due to the extra cost for a chimney flue.
Do you have a pitched roof or a flat roof?
If possible, have empty conduits for photovoltaic systems installed in the utility shaft right away.
How is the situation with the terrace in relation to the neighbors? This can be a bit of a problem because if you want a terrace roof, you need to build a fire-resistant F90 wall (if it’s not already there). It’s worth planning this from the start to save a lot of money.
Nothing else comes to mind at the moment.
I can’t say much about timber frame construction myself, but acquaintances of ours think their detached single-family house is very noisy.
We live in a mid-terrace house. I can share what has become important to me in retrospect:
We don’t hear anything from the neighbors; the construction is solid with partition wall panels between the houses and calcium silicate brick walls.
The stairs nowadays (this was specifically mentioned in the construction description, not sure if it’s that unusual) are mounted on special bearings, so you don’t hear noise from one floor to another.
I really like having three full floors. Unfortunately, we couldn’t choose the layout, but I find the German terrace house floor plans good, with the bathroom in the middle and the bedrooms on the exterior walls. Also, the ground floor has a separate kitchen, a guest toilet, and a cloakroom or stroller storage area.
I like that it’s always warm inside, and I love the ventilation system with heat recovery. I always dreamed of a wood-burning stove, but with the insulation, it would never be used and is totally unnecessary. It’s good we didn’t have the budget for that, and the architect advised against it due to the extra cost for a chimney flue.
Do you have a pitched roof or a flat roof?
If possible, have empty conduits for photovoltaic systems installed in the utility shaft right away.
How is the situation with the terrace in relation to the neighbors? This can be a bit of a problem because if you want a terrace roof, you need to build a fire-resistant F90 wall (if it’s not already there). It’s worth planning this from the start to save a lot of money.
Nothing else comes to mind at the moment.
I can’t say much about timber frame construction myself, but acquaintances of ours think their detached single-family house is very noisy.
H
Haussuche8513 Feb 2022 22:52Oh, one more thing: we had everything built by local craftsmen, and it wasn’t more expensive than using a prefab home provider. We chose a standard layout and finish, with the option to upgrade to higher-quality flooring later, and installed an inexpensive laminate ourselves. With kids and dogs, you don’t want to worry about damage, and tiling everywhere was unfortunately too costly.
I think the price is quite normal and reasonable for your area; my daughter is also searching and has been given similar price ranges. We took on some trades ourselves to save money, but we quickly regretted doing the insulation work.
I think the price is quite normal and reasonable for your area; my daughter is also searching and has been given similar price ranges. We took on some trades ourselves to save money, but we quickly regretted doing the insulation work.
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
There are already terraced houses on the right and left, as shown in the picture.As if having a terraced house wasn’t bad enough, there’s also a gap between buildings :-(What’s the reason against continuing to use the existing house?
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
Are there any tips for terraced house specialists?If I had any, I’d be lying in the grass on my alpine pasture all day 🙂https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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altoderneu14 Feb 2022 10:02Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
2 (wood frame prefabrication I will keep anonymous)
He immediately advised us to build with solid construction due to the misalignment of the walls with the neighbors
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He ... strongly recommended it to us Why do you keep anonymous the one who does not try to secure contracts at all costs, but HONESTLY says when his "range"/skills are not the best fit for the given requirements?
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