ᐅ Mid-terrace house near Stuttgart, looking for advice and support
Created on: 13 Feb 2022 21:41
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RMH Fabi
Good evening everyone,
we want to build a house, but we have no experience with this. So any help is very welcome. Thank you in advance.
Here are the basic details of the project.
Building plot:
Gifted by my dad. Very nice.
I still need the market value or actual price of the plot to fairly settle the inheritance with my sister.
Is it possible without an expert appraisal? Because that also costs around 2,000–3,000 euros.
166 sqm (1,786 sq ft), small but fine, in a district of Weinstadt.
There are already terraced houses on the right and left, see picture.
What will be built?
No basement, just a slab foundation.
Floor plan 7 m x 11 m (23 ft x 36 ft).
3 full floors.
Attic converted.
The neighbor with the garage said he has about 170 sqm (1,830 sq ft) of living space. His house was built about 25 years ago.
Where do we stand?
Well, basically at the beginning and I don't think we know what we really need to know.
I think we are already quite limited by the regulations.
On the ground floor there should be a cellar compartment, laundry room, and a small office.
On the 1st floor living/dining room and kitchen, guest toilet.
On the 2nd floor 2 children's rooms, 1 master bedroom, daylight bathroom.
Attic: wish for a roof terrace and basically a guest room, possibly a toilet or shower toilet.
We also want a carport or garage with a terrace facing the street and something small at the back.
Please feel free to share ideas and suggestions — what must I consider when planning?
We don’t want to plan without a clear direction.
Is there a simple floor plan tool?
I have already tried some free ones and didn’t like any.
I have now ordered A3 graph paper.
Construction method:
Today we visited the prefabricated home exhibition in Fellbach and had 3 conversations, 3 different opinions.
1. Schwörerhaus:
Didn’t want to hear much from us.
Said they are very flexible and can build almost completely custom.
The only limitation is no more than 3 full floors.
Otherwise, no disadvantages of timber frame construction.
He said, and this was strange, that if the contract is signed, the building permit (building permission/planning permission) would take 6 months?? This was dismissed as nonsense by exhibitor number 3.
Anyway, he said if someone signs a contract with Schwörerhaus today, they can move in within 2 years.
2. (Timber frame prefab, anonymous):
Immediately advised us to build with solid construction because of the offset of the walls relative to the neighbors.
Is that true?
Recommended Fermo and Pfeil.
I already researched and read something about them here in the forum.
Fermo is supposed to be very expensive but good.
Pfeil is apparently an old-school construction company and supposedly also great.
Was he honest or what?
He said about €3500 per sqm (about $325 per sq ft). That was a shock!
Is that the current reality? Can someone confirm?
3. Regnauer
We went there just because my wife liked it very much.
They are also flexible and build everything to order.
Price indication €3200 per sqm (about $297 per sq ft)??
So I will get started and get in touch with the construction companies:
My initial list will be:
Solid construction:
Schneider Bau Fellbach,
Pfeil Althütte,
Fermo,
Böpple,
Heinz von Heiden.
Timber frame:
Will schedule an appointment with Schwörerhaus, although they are not really a favorite.
Regnauer.
Are there any tips for specialists in terraced middle houses?
Any general advice?
Any tips about terraced middle houses?
What do I need to know at this point? What should I be thinking about?
Do I need to involve anyone for sure?
Thank you very much for any replies and have a nice Sunday.
we want to build a house, but we have no experience with this. So any help is very welcome. Thank you in advance.
Here are the basic details of the project.
Building plot:
Gifted by my dad. Very nice.
I still need the market value or actual price of the plot to fairly settle the inheritance with my sister.
Is it possible without an expert appraisal? Because that also costs around 2,000–3,000 euros.
166 sqm (1,786 sq ft), small but fine, in a district of Weinstadt.
There are already terraced houses on the right and left, see picture.
What will be built?
No basement, just a slab foundation.
Floor plan 7 m x 11 m (23 ft x 36 ft).
3 full floors.
Attic converted.
The neighbor with the garage said he has about 170 sqm (1,830 sq ft) of living space. His house was built about 25 years ago.
Where do we stand?
Well, basically at the beginning and I don't think we know what we really need to know.
I think we are already quite limited by the regulations.
On the ground floor there should be a cellar compartment, laundry room, and a small office.
On the 1st floor living/dining room and kitchen, guest toilet.
On the 2nd floor 2 children's rooms, 1 master bedroom, daylight bathroom.
Attic: wish for a roof terrace and basically a guest room, possibly a toilet or shower toilet.
We also want a carport or garage with a terrace facing the street and something small at the back.
Please feel free to share ideas and suggestions — what must I consider when planning?
We don’t want to plan without a clear direction.
Is there a simple floor plan tool?
I have already tried some free ones and didn’t like any.
I have now ordered A3 graph paper.
Construction method:
Today we visited the prefabricated home exhibition in Fellbach and had 3 conversations, 3 different opinions.
1. Schwörerhaus:
Didn’t want to hear much from us.
Said they are very flexible and can build almost completely custom.
The only limitation is no more than 3 full floors.
Otherwise, no disadvantages of timber frame construction.
He said, and this was strange, that if the contract is signed, the building permit (building permission/planning permission) would take 6 months?? This was dismissed as nonsense by exhibitor number 3.
Anyway, he said if someone signs a contract with Schwörerhaus today, they can move in within 2 years.
2. (Timber frame prefab, anonymous):
Immediately advised us to build with solid construction because of the offset of the walls relative to the neighbors.
Is that true?
Recommended Fermo and Pfeil.
I already researched and read something about them here in the forum.
Fermo is supposed to be very expensive but good.
Pfeil is apparently an old-school construction company and supposedly also great.
Was he honest or what?
He said about €3500 per sqm (about $325 per sq ft). That was a shock!
Is that the current reality? Can someone confirm?
3. Regnauer
We went there just because my wife liked it very much.
They are also flexible and build everything to order.
Price indication €3200 per sqm (about $297 per sq ft)??
So I will get started and get in touch with the construction companies:
My initial list will be:
Solid construction:
Schneider Bau Fellbach,
Pfeil Althütte,
Fermo,
Böpple,
Heinz von Heiden.
Timber frame:
Will schedule an appointment with Schwörerhaus, although they are not really a favorite.
Regnauer.
Are there any tips for specialists in terraced middle houses?
Any general advice?
Any tips about terraced middle houses?
What do I need to know at this point? What should I be thinking about?
Do I need to involve anyone for sure?
Thank you very much for any replies and have a nice Sunday.
11ant schrieb:
Hoffmann is the last to give up, as I always say. But professionally, I deal with tendering processes and know that Excel spreadsheets are THE tool for preliminary decision-makers. I was born in ’78. I’m not an architect, but, after some interesting detours, a construction coordinator. Thanks to my 11ant-memory, I retain well what I once read. There is a whole section here, especially in the financing threads, where I have barely read any of the threads – otherwise, I’ve read almost all since I joined and scrolling back about a year. ‘Strichacht’ had to be googled for me. But hey, now I have an idea about the author. The climbing net looks cozy.
Anyway, the construction coordinator perspective is interesting and worth a look at first glance.
11ant schrieb:
What does that have to do with the construction method? More about the providers who give you that booklet listing everything that’s included.
Well, can I probably find somewhere in the forum what needs to be in a scope of work description? Do you also write that yourself when planning with prefab house manufacturers?
11ant schrieb:
Hoffmann is the last to give up, as I always say. But professionally, I deal with tendering processes and know that Excel spreadsheets are THE tool for preliminary decision-makers. I was born in ’78. I’m not an architect, but, after some interesting detours, a construction coordinator. Thanks to my 11ant-memory, I retain well what I once read. There is a whole section here, especially in the financing threads, where I have barely read any of the threads – otherwise, I’ve read almost all since I joined and scrolling back about a year. Will that get expensive? Or will I end up in the same place cost-wise?
I want to organize as little as possible myself. That’s why I’m leaning towards a prefab house.
So far, several companies have confirmed that it’s exactly possible to build a prefab house on an infill lot. I mean, sure, construction isn’t as precise as metal fabrication, but they can do it down to the centimeter (inch), right?
The neighboring houses are made of solid masonry. The corner house two doors down is a timber prefab house.
11ant schrieb:
If an infill middle house isn’t a demanding project, then enlighten me!
An architect plans, creates detailed designs, prepares tenders, and supervises construction. The client then hires the contractor(s) based on the architect’s recommendation following the tender results. That was a question. Since many said it’s possible, I assumed it wasn’t.
Many parameters are more or less fixed, so there aren’t many unknowns left that would allow more options.
If I contact an architect now, is that like with a lawyer who basically gets paid as soon as they open the door, unless you have insurance? Or is there also a casual introductory meeting first?
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
But hey, now I also have a picture of the author. Looks cozy in the climbing net.
Anyway, the Baulotse website is interesting and seems worth reading at first glance. Also on the second glance as well (hopefully you don’t have to look up Heinzelmann Loriot too). I’m glad you like my site. The photo was taken by the creator of the name "Baulotse Hoffmann." She finds it authentic, and she’s probably right (my self-image would be a bit less tousled, but that’s generally how I look in my free time).
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
More like with the providers who give you that little booklet that lists everything included.
Well, can I probably find out somewhere here in the forum what needs to be included in a scope of work? Do you write that yourself when you plan with these prefab house builders? There’s no law requiring you to use some DIN EN 0815 4711 standard, so feel free to "create" it your own way like Goethe. Your architect will prepare the scope of work during design phase 6 – you already know where to find the "house-building roadmap, also for you" – and the best way is to provide your wish list as input. The scope of work assumes a turnkey house – even tasks you do yourself need to be planned, quoted, and financed. If your question was about wall construction mixes, which vary especially by timber manufacturers: these can also be described parametrically or textually in neutral requirement profiles. For the booklets, take a set of text markers. We can also practice this in coaching ;-)
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
Will that get expensive? Or will it cost about the same?
I just wanted to organize as little myself as possible. That’s why I’m leaning towards a prefab house. An architect roughly saves you their fee in return. What you pay "more" goes toward planned details rather than DIY patchwork. “Prefab” houses are like dog biscuits: it’s a misunderstanding to assume you can judge the contents by the name *LOL*
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
So far, several have assured me that it works to put a prefab house into a narrow gap. In an audio store, the salesman also always has exactly the same model of speakers "set up in your own home" that you are interested in. Notice something?
Reihenmittelhaus Fabi schrieb:
If I contact an architect now, is it like with a lawyer who basically gets paid as soon as they open the door for you, unless you have insurance? Or is there usually a casual initial meeting first? Unfortunately, there’s no architect on health insurance, but free initial consultations are often offered (which also applies to building consultants). You can figure out what you need from there.
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goalkeeper8 Mar 2022 18:47Before @11ant beats me to it again: I happen to know a construction company that is building in a terraced house gap... 🙄
Sorry for going off-topic... 😉
Sorry for going off-topic... 😉
I honestly can’t see anything “off topic” here, quite the opposite. I just hadn’t considered that Schilda could be located close enough to the builder’s site mentioned by the OP to be able to take on the general contractor of the most foolish neighbor ever ;-)
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
goalkeeper schrieb:
Before @11ant beats me to it again: I happen to know a construction company that is building in a terraced house gap… 🙄
Sorry for going off topic…;)Really?
11ant schrieb:
to take the general contractor from the most clueless neighbor of all time ;-)How?
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