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What would be the depths of the boxes? 65mm (2.6 inches) or 50mm (2 inches)?

netuser schrieb:

Personally, I couldn’t get on with Shellys and decided to go for Bosch despite it costing 2.5 times as much.

What exactly were the issues you had with Shellys? Or to put it another way, what can you do now with the Bosch solution that wouldn’t have worked with Shellys?

Tolentino schrieb:

What exactly were your problems with it? Or to put it another way, what can you do now with the Bosch solution that wouldn’t have worked with Shelly?

Shellys are basically “DIY solutions,” whereas Bosch (similar to Homematic) is much more mature and refined. Shellys are installed with 8 wires behind existing switches. This takes much more time, requires more space in the wall box, and is more frustrating. The software, a smartphone app, did not appeal to me.

For me personally, HomeKit integration (Apple) was important. This is basically possible with Shelly, but not officially supported and requires a complicated workaround. In the end, it “worked,” but no.

So I bought the Bosch components in a set (€43 each) and everything worked as desired within a very short time. HomeKit is built in, installation takes only a few minutes, software and HomeKit integration are clean. The devices completely replace the switch and are not just connected behind it. Wiring uses 4 cables (instead of 8), and affordable adapters allow adapting the existing rocker switches so that in the end the switches become push-buttons.

The only “disadvantage” is the need for a separate hub or central unit (under €50). I already had one (at this point, Bosch TwinGuard is recommended), which has the advantage that the hub communicates with the switches via 868 MHz instead of relying fully on Wi-Fi. Control of the hub happens normally over Wi-Fi inside the home, while the hub communicates with the devices over 868 MHz. Theoretically, this reduces interference and increases range. The latter is only theoretical, as nowadays decent Wi-Fi coverage throughout a house is basically standard.

That is my experience and recommendation: don’t try to save in the wrong place. Of course, that is relative when you start discussing KNX and similar systems.

netuser schrieb:

Shellys are basically “DIY solutions,” whereas Bosch devices (similar to Homematic) are much more mature and elegant.
Shellys are installed behind existing switches using 8 wires. They require much more time, space inside the back box, and patience.
The software—smartphone app—did not appeal to me.

For me personally, HomeKit integration (Apple) was important. It is basically possible with Shelly, but not officially supported and only through a complicated workaround. In the end, it “worked,” but no.

So I bought the Bosch components as a set (43 EUR each) and everything worked exactly as desired within a very short time.
HomeKit is directly included, installation takes just a few minutes, and the software with HomeKit integration is clean and reliable.
The devices completely replace the switch and are not just wired behind it. They use 4 wires (instead of 8), and with additional low-cost adapters, the existing rocker switches are adapted so the switches effectively become push buttons.

The only “disadvantage” is the need for an additional hub/control unit (under 50 EUR).
I already had one anyway (at this point the Bosch TwinGuard is recommended). It offers the advantage that the hub communicates with the switches over 868 MHz instead of relying entirely on Wi-Fi.
Control of the hub is via Wi-Fi inside the house, while the hub communicates with the devices over 868 MHz. This is theoretically less prone to interference and offers greater range. The latter is mostly theoretical though, since nowadays proper Wi-Fi coverage throughout the house is standard.

This has been my experience and recommendation—not to try to save in the wrong place. Of course, this is relative once you start discussing KNX and similar systems.

Are standard back boxes sufficient here, or do I also need deep ones?

You should always use deep electrical boxes. It makes everything easier later on, no matter what you ultimately decide. This is especially true for roller shutters or venetian blinds, considering the number of cables involved.

Mycraft schrieb:

You should always use deep boxes. It makes things easier for everyone later on, no matter what you finally decide. This is especially true for roller shutters or venetian blinds with the number of cables involved.

Now the question is, how deep are deep boxes?