ᐅ Electrical Installation for a New Single-Family Home – Assessment and Suggestions

Created on: 19 Jun 2021 23:28
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dynaudio79
Hello dear forum members,

The electrician has been working on the electrical installation in our shell construction for three weeks now, progressing step by step. Beforehand, I discussed some of my requirements with him. Now that he is almost finished, I have some doubts about whether everything has been done correctly. Without criticizing anything upfront, I would like to ask you to take a look.

This is mainly about the method of installation, not about why there are so few outlets in certain places—that can be sorted separately.

Best regards,
Steffen

Construction site with exposed brick walls; cable bundles lying on the floor along the wall.


Cable bundles of white and orange wires passed through a hole in the wall, tied together.


White electrical cables lying on dusty construction ground, tied in loops, a cable corner visible.


Plastered brick wall with vertical conduit and multiple cable penetrations with cables at the bottom.


Exterior view: door frame, black sealant around cable at the foundation of a brick wall.


Door threshold with black sealant around conduit; cable reels and construction waste outside.


Basement room: exposed green-yellow and white cables on dusty floor near a brick wall.


Construction site: unplastered brick wall, white and orange cables laid along the floor.


Unplastered interior: orange brick walls, visible electrical work, and window to the outside.


Shell construction: exposed brick wall with visible wiring and cables, plaster residues.
dynaudio7928 Jun 2021 19:57
I have optimized this with a friend for now. It is not yet finalized.
The cables are very easy to pull through.
Attached are also a few pictures showing that the cables do not reach all the way into the electrical boxes. You don’t really need to understand why...


Unterputz-Rohrleitungen im Rohbau zwischen Ziegelwänden und Putz

Zwei rote Kreissägeblätter mit Staub bedeckt, darunter blaue Kabel sichtbar.

Rohbauzimmer mit offenen Backsteinwänden, Kabelsalat, Werkzeugen und grüner Flasche auf dem Schrank

Runder roter Kabeldurchlass in Ziegelwand, zwei weiße Leitungen führen hinein.

Unfertige Baustelle: Ziegelwand, Kabel und Rohre an der Wandkante.

Auf einer Baustelle verlaufen weiße Kabelrohre und Schläuche am Boden neben einer rohen Ziegelwand.

Unfertiger Innenraum mit Ziegelwänden und Kabelleitungen auf dem Boden

Baustelle mit offenen Ziegelwänden; am Boden verlegte graue Rohre und Kabelbündel.

Mehrere weiße Kabelrohre liegen gebündelt am Boden in der Ecke der Kellerwand, daneben Zementschlick.

Unverputzte Ziegelwand mit Kabelkanälen am Boden; Gruppe roter Abdeckkappen in der Wand.
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Tassimat
29 Jun 2021 01:46
I suspect the cables
dynaudio79 schrieb:

Here are also some pictures showing that the cables don’t reach all the way into the outlet box. You just can’t understand it...

They probably fit neatly at first, but were then pushed back by other cables.
dynaudio79 schrieb:

I optimized this together with a friend.

And if something doesn’t work after all (such as data lines), the electrician is off the hook.
dynaudio79 schrieb:

230v counts as high voltage.

According to DIN and in everyday language, yes—but according to VDE standards, not for 20 years now.
dynaudio7929 Jun 2021 09:11
We only did this on the condition that we take no responsibility if something doesn’t work and that the electrician retains full warranty liability. He will inspect it afterwards, and that’s that. I’m not stupid.
We did not touch the electrical wiring. It has been like that from the beginning. The sheath of the cable must extend all the way into the junction box. This is mandatory according to construction supervision because gypsum plaster is corrosive. So we sealed everything with Rotband to protect those areas. He simply stripped too much insulation. That’s shoddy workmanship. Plain and simple.
i_b_n_a_n29 Jun 2021 09:18
dynaudio79 schrieb:

We only did this on the condition that we wouldn’t be held responsible if something didn’t work, and that the electrician kept full warranty liability. He will then do the final inspection, and that’s that. I’m not stupid.
We didn’t touch the power cables—they were like that from the start. The cable sheath has to go all the way into the junction box. This is mandatory according to the site supervisor because the plaster is corrosive. So, we sealed everything with joint compound to protect those areas. He simply stripped too much insulation off. That’s poor workmanship. Plain and simple.

From what I know, the cables basically just hang out of the box or are coiled inside it (not stripped yet) and are only stripped inside the box after the shell construction phase using a tool like "JOKARI XL". That way, something like this can’t happen.
At least, that was the recommendation from our electrician (we’re doing it ourselves).
dynaudio7929 Jun 2021 09:59
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:

As I understand it, the cables initially just hang loose out of the box or are coiled inside the box (not yet stripped), and are only stripped inside the box after the shell construction phase using a tool like the "JOKARI XL". This prevents such issues from happening.
At least, this was the recommendation from our electrician (we're doing it ourselves).

That’s also how I know it.
Alternatively, you strip the cable and then run the wiring from the box to the distribution board or switch. That way, problems like this can be avoided.
In the end, it’s just sad that the work isn’t done properly and conscientiously. The time pressure is enormous and they have to cut costs everywhere. He was working alone and slowly installed everything over three weeks. That means he’s probably working on other houses at the same time. I find that crazy. Doing one project at a time would make much more sense. But if the boss wants it that way, there’s no choice.
You pay so much money and trust professional companies, yet you still have to check everything yourself, read up on it, and sometimes even complain. It’s just terrible.
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nordanney
29 Jun 2021 10:20
dynaudio79 schrieb:

This is mandatory according to construction supervision since the gypsum plaster is aggressive. So we covered everything with Rotband to protect those areas.
So you protect with gypsum plaster (= Rotband) against the plasterer's gypsum plaster? Works 😀