Hello everyone,
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
In about three weeks, we are supposed to finalize our electrical planning on site. Unfortunately, our electrician is somewhat old-fashioned, which makes it difficult for me to collaboratively plan a future-proof electrical setup with him. Therefore, I am currently educating myself to ensure that the networking in our single-family home is fundamentally future-proof.
Basically, it’s about the LAN network... LAN wall outlets are relatively expensive, so proper planning is even more important.
About us:
- Mid to late 20s – couple without children. Planning for 2 children in the near future.
- Single-family house with a usable basement, 2 full floors, and fully equipped with concrete ceilings
- Utility room in the basement with air-to-water heat pump, ventilation system, photovoltaic system
- The router is planned to be located in the office on the ground floor
- The upper floor includes bathroom / bedroom / 2 children’s rooms
- No satellite dish or cable TV — we will use Internet TV exclusively!
Now, I am struggling to network our single-family home sensibly but as cost-effectively as possible.
I have the following questions:
1. Slightly off-topic: In the living room, I would like to have an in-wall conduit installed on the TV wall (the TV will be wall-mounted) so that no cables are visible. Is this sensible and affordable? I will get exact prices from my electrician if this makes sense at all. Would it also make sense to install power outlets at TV height? How do you plan the connections on your media wall reasonably? What should be considered?
Since we plan to use a Magenta TV box and thus IP-TV, a total of four LAN ports in the living room area would presumably be useful, right?
2. How many LAN outlets and especially where should LAN outlets be installed? Mainly: which cable? Is CAT6 sufficient?
→ Such a double LAN outlet certainly costs close to €200, so planning must be really sensible.
Is it really necessary to install 2 double LAN outlets in each children’s room? I always wonder: what is actually going to be plugged in there?
One port for the TV and one port for a multimedia device should be enough, right? So four connections would probably be overkill, correct?
The fact is: It will certainly take years or decades before our children actually use these outlets... Who knows what changes might happen by then? Therefore, could we not cost-effectively use empty conduits (empty pipes) instead?
Is it also possible to “branch off” from an existing double outlet afterward to add more ports for the room? What should be considered here? Or should we consider having an empty conduit prepared in another spot in the room so that a socket can be installed later?
3. How do you solve the “router problem”? Should the one router be placed in the office (ground floor) with LAN outlets in the existing bedrooms upstairs to ensure a stable LAN connection? Or is a router upstairs absolutely necessary?
4. How important are LAN outlets in the utility room? Should the router possibly even be located in the utility room? Because of the concrete ceiling between basement and ground floor, a second router would almost certainly be needed. How should this situation be handled with a basement?
5. What do you think about installing empty conduits for CAT cables in the kitchen / hallway etc. to enable later retrofitting? Is this relatively affordable in new builds?
I would appreciate any feedback so we can make the best possible plans 🙂
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fromthisplace12 Jun 2022 18:26MBPassion schrieb:
In the end, I decided on a 12U rack. Once the patch panel is installed with the cables, most people won’t want to change it again. So having a bit more space is more future-proof.
This is what it looks like for me now: Then I will probably go one size bigger as well. My second backup hard drive is almost 15 years old. So I could well imagine replacing it with a NAS sometime in the future.
MBPassion schrieb:
Clear labeling on the patch panel is definitely recommended. You can always add or improve the labels later if needed. Here, I would just instruct the electrician to label which cable goes where. Whether they also connect the cables on the patch panel or I do that myself doesn’t matter to me. I’m quite sure I will want to make the external appearance nicer later anyway.
MBPassion schrieb:
If you have the option, I would have the electrician run a cable from the main service entrance to your network cabinet.
Our electrician installed a TAE socket at the back of the network cabinet for the incoming line. From there, I was able to connect the Fritz!Box directly: Do I understand correctly that the incoming line from the main service entrance leads to the TAE socket inside the network cabinet? Besides power, does the Fritz!Box require any other connection, or is it fully connected then? Our appointment with the telecom provider for the house connection is not until November. Would it make sense to arrange with the electrician to install a TAE socket in the network cabinet (like yours) and have the line routed there, so the telecom technician can connect it later? Is that practical in real-life scenarios?
I'm not quite sure why you would install cables that support much higher throughput than the connector or form factor can handle, call it what you will, but okay... People rarely drive 500hp engines with transmissions that only go up to 120 km/h (75 mph).
But the original poster wants to use Cat 7 cables with GG45 connectors, I suppose.
But the original poster wants to use Cat 7 cables with GG45 connectors, I suppose.
Reggert schrieb:
The OP wants to use Cat 7 cables with GG45 connectors, I assume And which devices will he then plug those into? Or are you mixing up plugs and sockets?
I agree with using GG45 on patch panels if you really want to be sure.
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MBPassion12 Jun 2022 19:23Reggert schrieb:
I’m not entirely sure why you would install cables that support much higher throughput than the connectors or form factor can handle—call it what you like—but okay... You also rarely see 500hp engines in cars with transmissions that only go up to 120 km/h (75 mph).
However, the OP probably wants to use Cat 7 cables with GG45 connectors, I guess. With Cat 7 and RJ45, you can easily transmit 10 Gbps, and Cat 8 with RJ45 supports up to 40 Gbps as well. So where is the limiting factor compared to GG45? The limiting factor is not RJ45 but the network cards installed at the ends or in intermediate devices like switches.
Furthermore, RJ45 is simply the universal standard. Every consumer device (unless connected via Wi-Fi) has an RJ45 port.
Also, cables are much harder (or nearly impossible) to replace compared to connectors.
MBPassion schrieb:
What is the limiting factor here compared to GG45? The limiting factor is not the RJ45 connector, but the installed network cards at the endpoints and the devices in between, such as switches. Exactly. I have no idea why uninformed people get so confused here. If they don’t even understand the connection on a FritzBox, there’s no point in discussing 10/40/100 GbE. Especially when things get mixed up by the so-called “experts,” the questioner only ends up embarrassing themselves in front of the electrician by bringing up all the mixed terminology.
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fromthisplace12 Jun 2022 19:41Araknis schrieb:
Exactly. No idea why uninformed people get so confused here. If the connection of a Fritzbox isn’t even clear, there’s no point in talking about 10/40/100 GbE.fromthisplace schrieb:
Do I understand correctly that the incoming line from the main house connection runs to the TAE socket in the network cabinet? Does the Fritzbox need any connection besides power, or is it then fully connected? Our appointment for the Telekom house installation is only in November. Would it make sense to arrange with the electrician to install a TAE socket in the network cabinet (like you did) and run the line over there, so the Telekom technician can connect it later? Is that realistic in practice?Similar topics