ᐅ Which planning do you consider successful – initial thoughts – your ideas
Created on: 25 Feb 2021 09:11
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J.H.S.H.
Hello everyone,
First of all, compliments to the forum—I have already read many interesting and helpful topics. Now I would like to ask you for advice:
About us: We (I am 30, she is 27) come from the beautiful Franconian Switzerland region and own a family plot on the outskirts of town. We are slowly starting to think about how to ideally plan a single-family house there and look forward to your input and ideas:
- Which design do you prefer the most?
- Would you orient the house differently?
- Where do you see potential issues? (border construction, distances, sun/shade, etc.)
- What additional information do you need to better assess the plans? (I will do my best and hope to provide a lot of input)
About the plot:
- Cadastral parcel 269/5
- No zoning plan / land-use plan available, building according to §34 (German building law)
- Slight slope towards the forest (details in image)
- The neighboring parcel 269 to the west might still be developed (not yet connected to infrastructure but designated as a building area)
- Forest to the south/west causes late sunrise and early sunset in winter (some say it’s a winter sun gap)
About the planning / our ideas:
- Single-family house with pitched roof at 20-30°, 160-200 sq m (1720-2150 sq ft) of living space, country house style or city villa (not finalized yet)
- Basement for technical equipment, utility room, and a separate apartment (so the children have their own retreat later)
- Space for a large family (we hope to have 2-4 children)
- House oriented as much as possible toward the north/east
- House raised as much as possible out of the ground to make good use of the basement (light well/trench)
- Maximize sunlight (we love the sun and enjoy every ray that reaches the plot and the house, having grown up on a south-facing slope)
- As a hobby carpenter, I would like space for a workshop (about 40 sq m (430 sq ft))
- Wood storage in the form of a beam shelter as a privacy screen towards the neighbor (my uncle), because his garden/pigeon/chicken coop view is not the nicest.
Thoughts on Plan A:
- House facing north/east with a 5 m (16 ft) wide courtyard in front of the entrance and the workshop adjacent as a border building (is this allowed?)
- Garage in front towards the street with a wide driveway for maneuvering (later room for an additional parking space)
- Garage at street level on the east side (+/-0 m)
- House at street level on the west side (+1.2 m (4 ft))
Thoughts on Plan B:
- Similar to A but with garage and workshop swapped:
Advantage: short distance from garage to house (you stay dry)
Disadvantage: house moves further away from north/east (loss of garden space on the west side)
Thoughts on Plan C:
- House completely in the north/east corner
- Garage in front of the house at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Workshop at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Entrance between garage and workshop
- Covered walkway from garage to house
- Basement entrance on the east side
THANK YOU very much in advance for your ideas and comments
Sunny regards, Johannes
First of all, compliments to the forum—I have already read many interesting and helpful topics. Now I would like to ask you for advice:
About us: We (I am 30, she is 27) come from the beautiful Franconian Switzerland region and own a family plot on the outskirts of town. We are slowly starting to think about how to ideally plan a single-family house there and look forward to your input and ideas:
- Which design do you prefer the most?
- Would you orient the house differently?
- Where do you see potential issues? (border construction, distances, sun/shade, etc.)
- What additional information do you need to better assess the plans? (I will do my best and hope to provide a lot of input)
About the plot:
- Cadastral parcel 269/5
- No zoning plan / land-use plan available, building according to §34 (German building law)
- Slight slope towards the forest (details in image)
- The neighboring parcel 269 to the west might still be developed (not yet connected to infrastructure but designated as a building area)
- Forest to the south/west causes late sunrise and early sunset in winter (some say it’s a winter sun gap)
About the planning / our ideas:
- Single-family house with pitched roof at 20-30°, 160-200 sq m (1720-2150 sq ft) of living space, country house style or city villa (not finalized yet)
- Basement for technical equipment, utility room, and a separate apartment (so the children have their own retreat later)
- Space for a large family (we hope to have 2-4 children)
- House oriented as much as possible toward the north/east
- House raised as much as possible out of the ground to make good use of the basement (light well/trench)
- Maximize sunlight (we love the sun and enjoy every ray that reaches the plot and the house, having grown up on a south-facing slope)
- As a hobby carpenter, I would like space for a workshop (about 40 sq m (430 sq ft))
- Wood storage in the form of a beam shelter as a privacy screen towards the neighbor (my uncle), because his garden/pigeon/chicken coop view is not the nicest.
Thoughts on Plan A:
- House facing north/east with a 5 m (16 ft) wide courtyard in front of the entrance and the workshop adjacent as a border building (is this allowed?)
- Garage in front towards the street with a wide driveway for maneuvering (later room for an additional parking space)
- Garage at street level on the east side (+/-0 m)
- House at street level on the west side (+1.2 m (4 ft))
Thoughts on Plan B:
- Similar to A but with garage and workshop swapped:
Advantage: short distance from garage to house (you stay dry)
Disadvantage: house moves further away from north/east (loss of garden space on the west side)
Thoughts on Plan C:
- House completely in the north/east corner
- Garage in front of the house at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Workshop at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Entrance between garage and workshop
- Covered walkway from garage to house
- Basement entrance on the east side
THANK YOU very much in advance for your ideas and comments
Sunny regards, Johannes
Thanks to my late shift due to COVID, still in the flow 🙂
This afternoon I focused on: nice plot of land. This evening it got a bit trickier: slope! Slope in the wrong direction! Budget miscalculation! Four children wanted! 😱
I see a small, compact gable roof house: basement with a light well facing southeast, housing the utility room, freezer, and master bedroom area.
Ground floor: standard living area
Upper floor: 3-4 rooms plus bathroom. Children with parents, who later move downstairs to gradually separate from the children. This leaves room for additional children.
Garage plus carport with drive-through access to the hobby shed (to be realized later)
Costs:
€300,000 (approximately $325,000) for 140 sqm (1,500 sq ft) of living space on the ground and upper floors
€110,000 (approximately $120,000) for the basement
Slope stabilization and light well: others are more experienced here, so I estimate €40,000 (approximately $43,000)
Total: €450,000 (approximately $488,000)
Plus photovoltaic system and other extras: €50,000 (approximately $54,000)
Plus painting and floor finishes included in the contract: €30,000 (approximately $33,000)
Plus garage and carport: €15,000 (approximately $16,000)
Plus paving: €20,000 (approximately $22,000)
Shed to be added later
Total estimate: €570,000 (approximately $618,000)
I see the house position as highly dependent on the site’s terrain, so it needs to be mediated accordingly. The rest must evolve and adapt afterwards.
I don’t see room for a parking spot as a second access to the plot. Usually, you get a 5-meter (16 ft) driveway and no more. I also don’t see structures built right on the property boundary at the street. Budget-wise, the driveway should be as short as possible, and the house built in a standard orientation.
Still, a nice plot 🙂
This afternoon I focused on: nice plot of land. This evening it got a bit trickier: slope! Slope in the wrong direction! Budget miscalculation! Four children wanted! 😱
I see a small, compact gable roof house: basement with a light well facing southeast, housing the utility room, freezer, and master bedroom area.
Ground floor: standard living area
Upper floor: 3-4 rooms plus bathroom. Children with parents, who later move downstairs to gradually separate from the children. This leaves room for additional children.
Garage plus carport with drive-through access to the hobby shed (to be realized later)
Costs:
€300,000 (approximately $325,000) for 140 sqm (1,500 sq ft) of living space on the ground and upper floors
€110,000 (approximately $120,000) for the basement
Slope stabilization and light well: others are more experienced here, so I estimate €40,000 (approximately $43,000)
Total: €450,000 (approximately $488,000)
Plus photovoltaic system and other extras: €50,000 (approximately $54,000)
Plus painting and floor finishes included in the contract: €30,000 (approximately $33,000)
Plus garage and carport: €15,000 (approximately $16,000)
Plus paving: €20,000 (approximately $22,000)
Shed to be added later
Total estimate: €570,000 (approximately $618,000)
I see the house position as highly dependent on the site’s terrain, so it needs to be mediated accordingly. The rest must evolve and adapt afterwards.
I don’t see room for a parking spot as a second access to the plot. Usually, you get a 5-meter (16 ft) driveway and no more. I also don’t see structures built right on the property boundary at the street. Budget-wise, the driveway should be as short as possible, and the house built in a standard orientation.
Still, a nice plot 🙂
@ypg thanks for your late-night work and the sketch, we like it at first glance 🙂 I’ll add it as option D to my nice plan right away; this was pretty much what haydee had in mind, right?
I hadn’t fully considered the slope and the budget, but with your help, I’m now well prepared to move forward with the next planning steps (budget, architect search/planning).
What we like about your plan:
- the short driveway
- the short path from the garage/carport to the house entrance
- the light well, which also brings a lot of light into the basement
- the drive-through option to be able to bring larger items into the workshop
A compromise for us would be:
- a smaller garden on the south/west side than in the other options (possible shading from future neighboring buildings)
- “only” one garage and one carport, but with a view to the back
All in all, the cost quickly adds up to around 600,000, and I thought we’d save a lot by owning the land ourselves 🙂
Thanks again for all your hard work and ideas—I’ll keep you updated as we move to the next phase.
Best regards & have a sunny weekend ;-)
I hadn’t fully considered the slope and the budget, but with your help, I’m now well prepared to move forward with the next planning steps (budget, architect search/planning).
What we like about your plan:
- the short driveway
- the short path from the garage/carport to the house entrance
- the light well, which also brings a lot of light into the basement
- the drive-through option to be able to bring larger items into the workshop
A compromise for us would be:
- a smaller garden on the south/west side than in the other options (possible shading from future neighboring buildings)
- “only” one garage and one carport, but with a view to the back
All in all, the cost quickly adds up to around 600,000, and I thought we’d save a lot by owning the land ourselves 🙂
Thanks again for all your hard work and ideas—I’ll keep you updated as we move to the next phase.
Best regards & have a sunny weekend ;-)
That’s exactly how I envisioned it.
Only the floor area should be larger.
It will probably be too tight for 6 people.
Then more own labor.
I’m estimating 2,000 euros per square meter (about 186 dollars per square foot). The basement won’t be cheaper because it will have living space quality.
+ Additional construction costs for excavation should not be forgotten.
+ Garage, carport, workshop
+ Outdoor area
- Own labor
The latter seems to have potential. Call your buddies, the local sports club (TSV), the fire department, the shooting club.
Please keep in mind that if someone helps you, you have to help them too.
Only the floor area should be larger.
It will probably be too tight for 6 people.
Then more own labor.
I’m estimating 2,000 euros per square meter (about 186 dollars per square foot). The basement won’t be cheaper because it will have living space quality.
+ Additional construction costs for excavation should not be forgotten.
+ Garage, carport, workshop
+ Outdoor area
- Own labor
The latter seems to have potential. Call your buddies, the local sports club (TSV), the fire department, the shooting club.
Please keep in mind that if someone helps you, you have to help them too.
Just an idea for positioning the terrace. Try using a search engine to look up the sun’s path and check your property.
I could also imagine placing the terrace around the corner of the house on the west side. In summer, the sun sets in the northwest. That would also be, if I understood the plan correctly, the highest point on the site.
I could also imagine placing the terrace around the corner of the house on the west side. In summer, the sun sets in the northwest. That would also be, if I understood the plan correctly, the highest point on the site.
haydee schrieb:
Only the floor area should be larger.Four children's rooms on one level should be enough. There is no separate apartment. face26 schrieb:
I could also imagine the terrace wrapping around the corner of the house on the west side.That's how I pictured it: looking out over the fields in the evening 😉M
motorradsilke26 Feb 2021 10:33I would slightly modify Plan D, if the legal situation allows it:
Move the workshop to the top of the plan, up to the property boundary shared with your uncle, and connect the garage directly to the workshop on the left side of the plan. This way, you can bring tools and materials directly from the garage into the workshop.
Then shift the house slightly to the left and towards the top of the plan, so it connects directly to both the carport and the workshop.
Move the workshop to the top of the plan, up to the property boundary shared with your uncle, and connect the garage directly to the workshop on the left side of the plan. This way, you can bring tools and materials directly from the garage into the workshop.
Then shift the house slightly to the left and towards the top of the plan, so it connects directly to both the carport and the workshop.
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