ᐅ Which planning do you consider successful – initial thoughts – your ideas
Created on: 25 Feb 2021 09:11
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J.H.S.H.Hello everyone,
First of all, compliments to the forum—I have already read many interesting and helpful topics. Now I would like to ask you for advice:
About us: We (I am 30, she is 27) come from the beautiful Franconian Switzerland region and own a family plot on the outskirts of town. We are slowly starting to think about how to ideally plan a single-family house there and look forward to your input and ideas:
- Which design do you prefer the most?
- Would you orient the house differently?
- Where do you see potential issues? (border construction, distances, sun/shade, etc.)
- What additional information do you need to better assess the plans? (I will do my best and hope to provide a lot of input)
About the plot:
- Cadastral parcel 269/5
- No zoning plan / land-use plan available, building according to §34 (German building law)
- Slight slope towards the forest (details in image)
- The neighboring parcel 269 to the west might still be developed (not yet connected to infrastructure but designated as a building area)
- Forest to the south/west causes late sunrise and early sunset in winter (some say it’s a winter sun gap)
About the planning / our ideas:
- Single-family house with pitched roof at 20-30°, 160-200 sq m (1720-2150 sq ft) of living space, country house style or city villa (not finalized yet)
- Basement for technical equipment, utility room, and a separate apartment (so the children have their own retreat later)
- Space for a large family (we hope to have 2-4 children)
- House oriented as much as possible toward the north/east
- House raised as much as possible out of the ground to make good use of the basement (light well/trench)
- Maximize sunlight (we love the sun and enjoy every ray that reaches the plot and the house, having grown up on a south-facing slope)
- As a hobby carpenter, I would like space for a workshop (about 40 sq m (430 sq ft))
- Wood storage in the form of a beam shelter as a privacy screen towards the neighbor (my uncle), because his garden/pigeon/chicken coop view is not the nicest.
Thoughts on Plan A:
- House facing north/east with a 5 m (16 ft) wide courtyard in front of the entrance and the workshop adjacent as a border building (is this allowed?)
- Garage in front towards the street with a wide driveway for maneuvering (later room for an additional parking space)
- Garage at street level on the east side (+/-0 m)
- House at street level on the west side (+1.2 m (4 ft))
Thoughts on Plan B:
- Similar to A but with garage and workshop swapped:
Advantage: short distance from garage to house (you stay dry)
Disadvantage: house moves further away from north/east (loss of garden space on the west side)
Thoughts on Plan C:
- House completely in the north/east corner
- Garage in front of the house at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Workshop at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Entrance between garage and workshop
- Covered walkway from garage to house
- Basement entrance on the east side
THANK YOU very much in advance for your ideas and comments
Sunny regards, Johannes
First of all, compliments to the forum—I have already read many interesting and helpful topics. Now I would like to ask you for advice:
About us: We (I am 30, she is 27) come from the beautiful Franconian Switzerland region and own a family plot on the outskirts of town. We are slowly starting to think about how to ideally plan a single-family house there and look forward to your input and ideas:
- Which design do you prefer the most?
- Would you orient the house differently?
- Where do you see potential issues? (border construction, distances, sun/shade, etc.)
- What additional information do you need to better assess the plans? (I will do my best and hope to provide a lot of input)
About the plot:
- Cadastral parcel 269/5
- No zoning plan / land-use plan available, building according to §34 (German building law)
- Slight slope towards the forest (details in image)
- The neighboring parcel 269 to the west might still be developed (not yet connected to infrastructure but designated as a building area)
- Forest to the south/west causes late sunrise and early sunset in winter (some say it’s a winter sun gap)
About the planning / our ideas:
- Single-family house with pitched roof at 20-30°, 160-200 sq m (1720-2150 sq ft) of living space, country house style or city villa (not finalized yet)
- Basement for technical equipment, utility room, and a separate apartment (so the children have their own retreat later)
- Space for a large family (we hope to have 2-4 children)
- House oriented as much as possible toward the north/east
- House raised as much as possible out of the ground to make good use of the basement (light well/trench)
- Maximize sunlight (we love the sun and enjoy every ray that reaches the plot and the house, having grown up on a south-facing slope)
- As a hobby carpenter, I would like space for a workshop (about 40 sq m (430 sq ft))
- Wood storage in the form of a beam shelter as a privacy screen towards the neighbor (my uncle), because his garden/pigeon/chicken coop view is not the nicest.
Thoughts on Plan A:
- House facing north/east with a 5 m (16 ft) wide courtyard in front of the entrance and the workshop adjacent as a border building (is this allowed?)
- Garage in front towards the street with a wide driveway for maneuvering (later room for an additional parking space)
- Garage at street level on the east side (+/-0 m)
- House at street level on the west side (+1.2 m (4 ft))
Thoughts on Plan B:
- Similar to A but with garage and workshop swapped:
Advantage: short distance from garage to house (you stay dry)
Disadvantage: house moves further away from north/east (loss of garden space on the west side)
Thoughts on Plan C:
- House completely in the north/east corner
- Garage in front of the house at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Workshop at street level (+0.3 m (1 ft))
- Entrance between garage and workshop
- Covered walkway from garage to house
- Basement entrance on the east side
THANK YOU very much in advance for your ideas and comments
Sunny regards, Johannes
icandoit schrieb:
Does your uncle have any objections to building on the property line?He probably wouldn’t mind up to his garden. (I’ll ask him :-D) Yes, unfortunately the neighbor isn’t selling their undeveloped land, so we have to expect construction there in 5 to 20 years (children, grandchildren…). Until then, I would have a nice view, which is why I’m also considering options with more distance from the undeveloped land.
What is your budget?
That is quite a large house. With four children, you can hardly count on two incomes for a long time, and they are costly. Less on clothing and so on. With each child, you need to buy less, but the car (no more compact cars like a Corsa or Golf Variant), family tickets for entry are not always included for everyone, grocery shopping, school supplies, etc.
If you are planning a basement, think carefully about its purpose. I would avoid an accessory apartment for sometime in the future. But yes, you won’t manage with only 10cm (5 inches) for heating technology, laundry, and groceries. Raising the house always means stairs and never a level garden access. The latter is priceless with children.
I would build with a basement since you are planning for up to four children. Place heating technology, laundry, groceries, storage, and a workshop in the basement. The basement should be deep enough to allow access to the house entrance and garden without stairs.
I would not plan a city villa with a hip roof. I would opt for a simple gable roof.
Basement: workshop, heating technology, utilities, storage
Ground floor: open living area, toilet with shower, possibly a home office
Upper floor: parents’ bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, possibly a fourth room here
Attic: expansion reserve in case child three and four arrive. Then possibly convert the attic into the parents’ area or move the older children upstairs.
Setting the house far back increases development costs.
Carport directly at the street – I’m not sure if that is permitted.
The back faces an open area. Small children do not tolerate direct sunlight very well.
I would design the house as a rectangular shape and shift it more towards the side and closer to the street.
That is quite a large house. With four children, you can hardly count on two incomes for a long time, and they are costly. Less on clothing and so on. With each child, you need to buy less, but the car (no more compact cars like a Corsa or Golf Variant), family tickets for entry are not always included for everyone, grocery shopping, school supplies, etc.
If you are planning a basement, think carefully about its purpose. I would avoid an accessory apartment for sometime in the future. But yes, you won’t manage with only 10cm (5 inches) for heating technology, laundry, and groceries. Raising the house always means stairs and never a level garden access. The latter is priceless with children.
I would build with a basement since you are planning for up to four children. Place heating technology, laundry, groceries, storage, and a workshop in the basement. The basement should be deep enough to allow access to the house entrance and garden without stairs.
I would not plan a city villa with a hip roof. I would opt for a simple gable roof.
Basement: workshop, heating technology, utilities, storage
Ground floor: open living area, toilet with shower, possibly a home office
Upper floor: parents’ bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, possibly a fourth room here
Attic: expansion reserve in case child three and four arrive. Then possibly convert the attic into the parents’ area or move the older children upstairs.
Setting the house far back increases development costs.
Carport directly at the street – I’m not sure if that is permitted.
The back faces an open area. Small children do not tolerate direct sunlight very well.
I would design the house as a rectangular shape and shift it more towards the side and closer to the street.
Option C with modification is also possible. A carport or garage up to 5 m (16 feet) forward, with a workshop behind the garage if the uncle agrees.
You could negotiate exceeding the 9 m (30 feet) length limit of the boundary development in exchange for not fully using the 3 m (10 feet) height allowance.
You could negotiate exceeding the 9 m (30 feet) length limit of the boundary development in exchange for not fully using the 3 m (10 feet) height allowance.
@haydee I’ll try to respond to your suggestions – thank you for that:
We have planned a budget of 450k for the house (the land would be inherited, we bring 150k in equity).
My idea here was to level the garden to +1.2m (enough soil excavation from the basement should be available). The driveway would be designed with a slight incline to go from approximately 0 to +1.2m. The courtyard would then also be at +1.2m relative to the reference point. The driveway and garden would be separated by a stone wall, not as angular as drawn. The main entrance (floor height) would be one step higher than the courtyard floor level.
Regarding the gable roof, I’m completely with you—it’s cheaper to build and better suited for photovoltaics. I also try to avoid skylights where possible; I/we have never liked them :-)
I’ll try tonight to illustrate your other ideas in a sketch. How much more complex is the site development if the house is placed further back? I expect the architect will have to answer that. For now, I just want to collect many ideas and comments, since we are still at an early stage.
The parking space should be feasible; the neighbor built something similar. If necessary, it can be shifted slightly further back.
We have planned a budget of 450k for the house (the land would be inherited, we bring 150k in equity).
haydee schrieb:
...Raising the house always means stairs and never a direct, level garden access. The latter is priceless for children.
My idea here was to level the garden to +1.2m (enough soil excavation from the basement should be available). The driveway would be designed with a slight incline to go from approximately 0 to +1.2m. The courtyard would then also be at +1.2m relative to the reference point. The driveway and garden would be separated by a stone wall, not as angular as drawn. The main entrance (floor height) would be one step higher than the courtyard floor level.
Regarding the gable roof, I’m completely with you—it’s cheaper to build and better suited for photovoltaics. I also try to avoid skylights where possible; I/we have never liked them :-)
I’ll try tonight to illustrate your other ideas in a sketch. How much more complex is the site development if the house is placed further back? I expect the architect will have to answer that. For now, I just want to collect many ideas and comments, since we are still at an early stage.
The parking space should be feasible; the neighbor built something similar. If necessary, it can be shifted slightly further back.
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