ᐅ New Build: About 280 m² Plus Basement – Your Suggestions
Created on: 15 Jan 2021 13:06
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Pfalzpaulianer
Hello everyone,
Thank you again for your suggestions and feedback on our initial draft. The architect has put in a lot of effort, and we are now almost ready to submit the building permit / planning permission application. Here is the nearly final version. We appreciate your opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.
Attached is the questionnaire
Development plan / restrictions: Paragraph 34, according to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old structure - demolition in progress)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio (FAR): n.a.
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Building setback, building line, and plot boundaries: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: 2
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern house with classic Palatinate elements (wooden tile roof, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height / limits: according to neighboring buildings
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (to the north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof shape, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new building with classic Palatinate style elements, but without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, floors (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, age: 5 (41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and TV room on the ground floor (can also serve as a bedroom for possible care needs of relatives)
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, man’s home office, guest room / office
2nd floor: children’s area with 3 bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round-tiled stove
Music / stereo wall: no, TV room on 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above double garage with vineyard view
Garage, carport: double garage
House design
Planned by: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with a wonderful view of the vineyards also from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with spacious living and dining area, seating area in the gallery on 1st and 2nd floors
What do you not like? Why? Window sizes on the 1st floor still need final planning, probably slightly larger. We do not really like the round windows (extension and north side). Do you have alternative ideas that would suit the house?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: initial estimate about 900,000 including additional costs (excluding garden)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: 900,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump with cooling function
[If you had to compromise, on which details / fittings? Full basement (this is a cost issue because the current house has a basement and must be demolished; a partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement might also be an option.)
- Could you go without: large master bedroom, children’s bathroom in the attic can be smaller
- Could not go without: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why has the design turned out as it is? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look standard from the outside. More expensive, but planned for that. For example, shutters and sandstone elements.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
Great: separate areas, spacious living and dining room
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to reduce morning congestion for the three schoolchildren?
Ideas for exterior views?
Enjoy looking through this, and thank you very much for your help.
Thank you again for your suggestions and feedback on our initial draft. The architect has put in a lot of effort, and we are now almost ready to submit the building permit / planning permission application. Here is the nearly final version. We appreciate your opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.
Attached is the questionnaire
Development plan / restrictions: Paragraph 34, according to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old structure - demolition in progress)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio (FAR): n.a.
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Building setback, building line, and plot boundaries: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: 2
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern house with classic Palatinate elements (wooden tile roof, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height / limits: according to neighboring buildings
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (to the north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof shape, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new building with classic Palatinate style elements, but without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, floors (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, age: 5 (41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and TV room on the ground floor (can also serve as a bedroom for possible care needs of relatives)
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, man’s home office, guest room / office
2nd floor: children’s area with 3 bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round-tiled stove
Music / stereo wall: no, TV room on 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above double garage with vineyard view
Garage, carport: double garage
House design
Planned by: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with a wonderful view of the vineyards also from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with spacious living and dining area, seating area in the gallery on 1st and 2nd floors
What do you not like? Why? Window sizes on the 1st floor still need final planning, probably slightly larger. We do not really like the round windows (extension and north side). Do you have alternative ideas that would suit the house?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: initial estimate about 900,000 including additional costs (excluding garden)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: 900,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump with cooling function
[If you had to compromise, on which details / fittings? Full basement (this is a cost issue because the current house has a basement and must be demolished; a partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement might also be an option.)
- Could you go without: large master bedroom, children’s bathroom in the attic can be smaller
- Could not go without: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why has the design turned out as it is? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look standard from the outside. More expensive, but planned for that. For example, shutters and sandstone elements.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
Great: separate areas, spacious living and dining room
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to reduce morning congestion for the three schoolchildren?
Ideas for exterior views?
Enjoy looking through this, and thank you very much for your help.
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SchaeffnS16 Jan 2021 20:23Bertram100 schrieb:
Why is such a large open-plan living area so important to you? What are you hoping to gain from it? Especially if the budget might become an issue. Square meters hardly impress, but functionality definitely does.
I can only agree. We’re approaching 200m² (2150 sq ft), renovated old building.
The children of the original poster are 13 and 9 years old; they won’t be spending much longer downstairs with their parents.
By now, I would plan a house this size so that the ground floor can be separated as a self-contained apartment.
Child 1 is 13, so still 5 years left, and Child 1 will be at university, 4 years if you move in only in 2022.
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Pfalzpaulianer17 Jan 2021 04:47SchaeffnS schrieb:
I can only agree, we’re approaching 200sqm (2,150 sq ft), renovated old building.
The original poster’s children are 13 and 9; they won’t be spending much longer downstairs with their parents.
By now, I would plan a house of this size so that the ground floor can be separated as a granny flat / basement apartment.
Child 1 is 13, so another 5 years, and Child 1 will be at university, 4 if you only move in in 2022. Thank you, but the open-plan living area cannot be too large for us because this is where we will be spending time with friends even when we’re older. We have already lived in many houses, and this large open space has always impressed us. We have carefully considered the space. We have also been out of the family home for some time now and regularly visit grandma and grandpa—by now with three families and children. We always look forward to those times at Christmas, Easter, birthdays, etc., when the entire extended family fits into the house. So, we don’t need to worry about how the rooms are used.
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Pfalzpaulianer17 Jan 2021 04:48SchaeffnS schrieb:
Our layout is similar, with the parents on a different floor than the children, which works really well—though in our case, it’s the other way around. We are on the top floor, and the kids are in the middle. This has the practical advantage that they don’t have to pass by our rooms with their friends at night or when going to the kitchen again.
When I look at a floor plan, I usually start at the entrance.
The entrance area has to serve 5 people, with shoes, jackets, gym bags, motorcycle helmets, but there is hardly any space for a wardrobe, instead there are 5 doors in the hallway.
Regarding the terrace, you won’t be happy in the long run without a permanent roof or cover. With wind and in autumn, you can’t leave anything outside—so every year the patio furniture has to be carried up and down to the basement or garden shed.
Of the external style options, none are really to my taste, but it doesn’t have to please me—it has to please you. Just keep in mind that these design details should still appeal to you in 10 years.
I once had an apartment with a porthole window in the hallway, and I hated it. It didn’t bring any light, you couldn’t place anything in front of it, you couldn’t put a plant there either, and when I moved out, it was a nightmare to wallpaper around it 😀 We have been debating about the porthole window the whole time. What would you suggest?
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
We always look forward to Christmas, Easter, birthdays, etc., when the whole extended family stays in the house. That’s actually not allowed at the moment. 😉 Joking aside, how does an estimated free space of about 20 m² (215 sq ft), also called a ballroom, between the dining and living areas help you? Planning it to be 10 m² (108 sq ft) smaller wouldn’t really limit its use.
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Hausbautraum2017 Jan 2021 07:33K1300S schrieb:
That is currently not allowed at all. 😉 Jokes aside, but how exactly does an estimated 20 m² (215 sq ft) open space, aka dance hall, between the dining and living areas help you? Planning 10 m² (108 sq ft) less there wouldn’t really limit its use.My parents also have a similar 10 m² (108 sq ft) open area.
At gatherings, a second large table is placed there.
The grandchildren constantly visit and run around and play in that space.
And I hope that when the grandchildren who are crazy now get older, our future children will continue to play there :-)
No one has ever regretted having that space.
Of course, you’re right that you can well do without those 10 m² (108 sq ft).
But with a budget of 900k, the extra 20k for the additional generous space is simply worth it to us.
If the zoning plan (building permit / planning permission) had allowed it (and the budget...), we would have done the same :-)
I think the solution to move the bathtub closer to the children is a good idea!
Only you can decide on the windows and which style suits you best. If you want to build in a traditional style, I would still enlarge the windows and at least install shutters on all windows on the east side. I don’t understand why they are missing there.
My in-laws have a traditional Bavarian house with shutters on all windows. On the ground floor, south side, they have floor-to-ceiling windows without shutters—so they don’t have to be everywhere—but then not these round-arched windows.
I think the round window is purely a matter of personal taste. My parents have that, and we really like it, but it simply depends on the overall concept.
We don’t need a decorative display area in that window because the window itself is decoration enough for us ;-)
Hausbautraum20 schrieb:
My parents also have a similar 10sqm (108sq ft) of open space. The original poster is actually planning for 20sqm (215sq ft) here. It’s clear that having some extra space for flexibility makes sense. (We have that too.) However, in my opinion, the principle "more is better" doesn’t really apply here. At some point, the additional benefit also approaches zero.
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