ᐅ House and Floor Plan Design – Initial Architect’s Draft Available
Created on: 14 Oct 2020 18:29
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Pinkiponk
As previously announced, our old house in Baden-Württemberg has now been sold, we have moved to the Leipzig district, and we can now focus on our new house. Due to our age, we have deliberately downsized both the lot size and the living space. We have a first architect’s draft. I have already noted a few change requests and am now looking forward to your additions, criticism, and suggestions. If further plans or similar are needed, I will gladly provide them as long as I have them available.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Lot size: 567sqm (6,105 sqft)
Slope: visually not noticeable; if this is important information, I will look for where to find it
Site occupancy index: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: see attached drawing
Edge development: not allowed/desired on our part
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: classic, conservative
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to ridge height of main roof max. 11.5 meters (38 feet)”; “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to eave height of main roof max. 7.0 meters (23 feet)”
Further requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: we are trying to approximate the house shown in the photo below; however, without the gable projection; classic/conservative, hipped roof, town house
Basement, floors: no basement, 2 floors
Number of occupants, age: 1 male, 64 years old – 1 female, 58 years old
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor → kitchen, shower bathroom, living/lounge room, utility room with kitchenette and floor drain, hallway;
Upper floor → bathroom with tub, bedroom, 2 “wardrobe and storage rooms”
Office: family use or home office? Couple without children, no home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open on the outside, closed on the inside
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, cooking island: no, classical L-shaped kitchen or similar (the plan includes a cooking island that will not be built)
Number of dining seats: 2 in the kitchen, up to 6–8 in the living/lounge room
Fireplace: gas stove chimney
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: both no
Garage, carport: 2 arched carports
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: both no
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why some things should or should not be
House Design
Who created the plan:
– Planner from a construction company: yes, in cooperation with the clients
– Architect: unclear
– Do-it-yourself: yes, in cooperation with the prefabricated house manufacturer’s planner
What do you especially like? Why? Many windows and patio doors, lots of natural light and fresh air
What do you not like? Why? The windows on the upper floor are too low in the plan, but this will be changed
Price estimate according to architect/planner: already commissioned offer/order €312,780.00 (without carport, outdoor facilities, additional construction costs, land, ...)
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €400,000.00
Preferred heating system: gas condensing boiler plus solar thermal (according to legal requirements)
If you have to forgo something, which details/upgrades
– What you can give up: we are already giving up shutters, whirlpool
– What you cannot give up: many windows and patio doors, muntins in the windows and doors
Why is the design as it is? For example:
A mixture of many examples from various magazines…
What do you think makes it good or bad? It generally meets our wishes. On the ground floor, we want access to the garden from every room. We find symmetry more pleasing than asymmetry. Few different window and door formats. No horizontal (“lying”) windows. Each of us has a separate room for clothing and such, so that no wardrobes have to be placed in the bedroom. We do not want a separate dressing room.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The roof seems somewhat steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch for a house with a base of 9.40m x 9.40m (31 feet x 31 feet) too steep? The standard according to the provider is 22 degrees. That seemed too flat, or you can hardly see the roof.
The development plan was too large to upload; I will try again in a separate post in this thread.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help me.
Development Plan / Restrictions
Lot size: 567sqm (6,105 sqft)
Slope: visually not noticeable; if this is important information, I will look for where to find it
Site occupancy index: 0.35
Floor area ratio: 0.8
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: see attached drawing
Edge development: not allowed/desired on our part
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: hipped roof
Style: classic, conservative
Orientation: ?
Maximum heights/limits: “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to ridge height of main roof max. 11.5 meters (38 feet)”; “Top of raw floor slab of ground floor to eave height of main roof max. 7.0 meters (23 feet)”
Further requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: we are trying to approximate the house shown in the photo below; however, without the gable projection; classic/conservative, hipped roof, town house
Basement, floors: no basement, 2 floors
Number of occupants, age: 1 male, 64 years old – 1 female, 58 years old
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor → kitchen, shower bathroom, living/lounge room, utility room with kitchenette and floor drain, hallway;
Upper floor → bathroom with tub, bedroom, 2 “wardrobe and storage rooms”
Office: family use or home office? Couple without children, no home office
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open on the outside, closed on the inside
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, cooking island: no, classical L-shaped kitchen or similar (the plan includes a cooking island that will not be built)
Number of dining seats: 2 in the kitchen, up to 6–8 in the living/lounge room
Fireplace: gas stove chimney
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: both no
Garage, carport: 2 arched carports
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: both no
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why some things should or should not be
House Design
Who created the plan:
– Planner from a construction company: yes, in cooperation with the clients
– Architect: unclear
– Do-it-yourself: yes, in cooperation with the prefabricated house manufacturer’s planner
What do you especially like? Why? Many windows and patio doors, lots of natural light and fresh air
What do you not like? Why? The windows on the upper floor are too low in the plan, but this will be changed
Price estimate according to architect/planner: already commissioned offer/order €312,780.00 (without carport, outdoor facilities, additional construction costs, land, ...)
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €400,000.00
Preferred heating system: gas condensing boiler plus solar thermal (according to legal requirements)
If you have to forgo something, which details/upgrades
– What you can give up: we are already giving up shutters, whirlpool
– What you cannot give up: many windows and patio doors, muntins in the windows and doors
Why is the design as it is? For example:
A mixture of many examples from various magazines…
What do you think makes it good or bad? It generally meets our wishes. On the ground floor, we want access to the garden from every room. We find symmetry more pleasing than asymmetry. Few different window and door formats. No horizontal (“lying”) windows. Each of us has a separate room for clothing and such, so that no wardrobes have to be placed in the bedroom. We do not want a separate dressing room.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
The roof seems somewhat steep to me. Is a 30-degree roof pitch for a house with a base of 9.40m x 9.40m (31 feet x 31 feet) too steep? The standard according to the provider is 22 degrees. That seemed too flat, or you can hardly see the roof.
The development plan was too large to upload; I will try again in a separate post in this thread.
I don’t quite understand why you want to position the house so far into the lot when the beautiful west side faces fields and woods, and there’s only a street at the front. That way, you’re actually reducing your garden space. Also, I’m not sure why you plan to place the bedroom facing south towards the street instead of swapping it with Workroom 1 (northwest, facing the garden). A sauna in a large wellness bathroom with a view of the garden is a nice feature—we have that too. Since there’s plenty of space for two of you, you might consider placing the sauna at the bottom of the plan, with a window looking out to the garden (where the WC and washbasin are currently located), and then have the door to the bathroom right after the stairs. The WC and shower could be placed in a T-arrangement where the sauna and shower are now. A future buyer could then separate the sauna as its own room and convert it into a dressing room. On the ground floor, I would shorten the hallway and utility room by about 50cm (20 inches) to give the living room 50cm (20 inches) more depth. 3.55m (11.6 feet) is quite narrow. The last two steps of the staircase usually disappear into the ceiling and wouldn’t be visible. You seem to want the rest exactly as it is, and I’m sure you’ll make it look great.
I’m following up with what the original poster has emailed me so far: I have included the legend and the textual provisions with their original redactions—which I will not comment on here—from the combined drawing/text plan document. I also reconstructed her extract from the image section of the original PDF so that at least what is shown can be somewhat “read.” Unfortunately, the extract really doesn’t show much, including no parcel boundaries :-(
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Pinkiponk16 Oct 2020 15:28Würfel* schrieb:
I don’t quite understand why you want to position the house so far into the plot when the nice west side with fields and forest is at the back, and only the street is in front? That way, you’re reducing your garden space. I also want a nice garden in front, one that I will always enjoy walking through on the way to the front door. The front area is limited anyway by two parking spaces and possibly the trash bins. At the back, I don’t (initially) need much garden space because there are fields and forest there.
Würfel* schrieb:
I also don’t understand why you’re planning the bedroom facing south and towards the street, instead of swapping it with Workroom 1 (northwest, facing the garden). The bedroom shouldn’t be above the living room because of noise from the TV, music, guests, etc.
Würfel* schrieb:
A sauna in a large wellness bathroom with a view of the garden is a nice feature, we have that too. And with two of you, there’s definitely enough space for it. Maybe you could position the sauna at the bottom of the plan, with a window overlooking the garden (where the toilet and washbasin are now), then place the bathroom door right after the stairs. The toilet and shower could be arranged in a T-layout where the sauna and shower are now. A future buyer could then separate the sauna as a separate room and turn it into a walk-in closet. I will discuss this with my husband. The current layout was his idea.
Würfel* schrieb:
On the ground floor, I would shorten the hallway and the utility room by about 50cm (20 inches) to give the living room 50cm (20 inches) more depth. 3.55m (11 ft 8 in) is quite small. I would also prefer a smaller utility room, but that’s not possible because my husband has a hobby that requires the space in the utility room. I can manage with the living room as planned.
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Pinkiponk16 Oct 2020 15:39Aphrodithe schrieb:
Those who have so much money that they don’t know what to do with it, ... That’s not the case for me and my husband, but in my opinion, the options for investing money from selling a house and various life insurance policies are currently limited for non-experts. And when you have children, a house is probably a good thing, even if its value might decrease eventually. However, I assume that would be a different discussion.
Aphrodithe schrieb:
... selling wouldn’t matter to them, they should build however they want and if the house is torn down in 10 years, it doesn’t matter! I don’t understand that. Why should the house be demolished in 10 years? I don’t think it will turn out to be such a bad house that demolition would be the only option. We just sold a house that was much less comfortable for our asking price, admittedly low.
Aphrodithe schrieb:
Otherwise, the original poster is just resistant to advice! That might be true. Maybe I simply don’t understand why it is so important to have a dry path from the car to the house, why the distance between the dining table and kitchen needs to be short when the table is rarely used for meals, and so on. I think I must be missing something.
Pinkiponk schrieb:
The bedroom should not be located above the living room because of noise from the TV, music, guests, etc.I don't think these noises will be heard through the ceiling/floor. If any sound travels upstairs, it will likely come through the staircase.RomeoZwo schrieb:
But I am convinced that this clientele will then look for a property tailored to their needs for old age. The keyword is "single-level living," maybe with a guest room or hobby room on the upper floor.
A house optimized for 10 years of life (60-70?) will, in my opinion, remain an absolute niche. This is exactly where I see a change coming: the silver age is lasting longer and longer, and accordingly, the property market no longer only includes buyers who wait until it’s time to move from their middle-aged family home to a assisted living or care suite for walkers. Instead, more and more young retirees are entering the market, driven by justified concerns that their spouse might fill the now-empty children’s rooms with model trains and let the RV rot after only two uses if they don’t push for a change of scenery. Those born only half a generation after the builders of the “pre-care home apartments” prefer to play spin the bottle for another ten years before bingo. In the waiting time for the Grim Reaper, several cruises easily fit in.
Pinkiponk schrieb:
But in my opinion, the options for investing money from a house sale and various life insurance policies are currently limited for non-experts. Then you aren’t watching enough of the videos by the unfortunately recently deceased “Stock Market Grandma” Beate Sander.
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