ᐅ Location of a city villa or detached single-family house on a 500 m² rectangular plot
Created on: 17 Jan 2020 18:03
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Tolentino
Dear all,
after sharing the floor plans of my possible hamster cage with you in the other thread , here comes the next thread (thanks again for all the constructive suggestions there).
Just so you know, the semi-detached house is not off the table yet, as this plot of land is highly sought after and it’s not clear whether it will work out. But this one would be my favorite.
Now to this plot. For now, I’m mainly concerned with where and roughly how the house should be positioned on this plot.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 500 m² (5400 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) from the street, 3 m (10 ft) from neighbors
Edge development: allowed for garages and sheds, none existing on the plot
Number of parking spaces: 1-2
Number of floors: 1.5–2.5
Roof shape: no preference
Architectural style: no preference
Orientation: aligned parallel to the street
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height max. 9 m (30 ft)
Below are the site plans I created myself based on the details from the listing.
This is a rough overview of the plot with building boundaries and dimensions.
My question is: where to put the house?
The broker suggests placing it towards the back, since you already have the 5 m (16 ft) setback at the front and would “gain” about 3 m (10 ft) of garden. My partner doesn’t like this because of the visibility from the street. I say: privacy screen! But I also think, a fence too high might create a prison-yard feel.
But even if you follow this suggestion, I wonder if a more square floor plan (-> town villa style) would be better?
Like this, for example:
Then parking space might be tricky, right?
Or upright like this?
I really want as much of a west-facing view and garden as possible. I tend to be an evening person and that side is less built up, due to the road. So I think more light comes through.
But the narrow floor plan caused lots of problems with the semi-detached house already. Well, here you could build longer instead.
What do you think?
Best regards
Tolentino
after sharing the floor plans of my possible hamster cage with you in the other thread , here comes the next thread (thanks again for all the constructive suggestions there).
Just so you know, the semi-detached house is not off the table yet, as this plot of land is highly sought after and it’s not clear whether it will work out. But this one would be my favorite.
Now to this plot. For now, I’m mainly concerned with where and roughly how the house should be positioned on this plot.
Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: 500 m² (5400 sq ft)
Slope: none
Site coverage ratio: 0.2
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Building envelope, building line and boundary: 5 m (16 ft) from the street, 3 m (10 ft) from neighbors
Edge development: allowed for garages and sheds, none existing on the plot
Number of parking spaces: 1-2
Number of floors: 1.5–2.5
Roof shape: no preference
Architectural style: no preference
Orientation: aligned parallel to the street
Maximum heights / limits: ridge height max. 9 m (30 ft)
Below are the site plans I created myself based on the details from the listing.
This is a rough overview of the plot with building boundaries and dimensions.
My question is: where to put the house?
The broker suggests placing it towards the back, since you already have the 5 m (16 ft) setback at the front and would “gain” about 3 m (10 ft) of garden. My partner doesn’t like this because of the visibility from the street. I say: privacy screen! But I also think, a fence too high might create a prison-yard feel.
But even if you follow this suggestion, I wonder if a more square floor plan (-> town villa style) would be better?
Like this, for example:
Then parking space might be tricky, right?
Or upright like this?
I really want as much of a west-facing view and garden as possible. I tend to be an evening person and that side is less built up, due to the road. So I think more light comes through.
But the narrow floor plan caused lots of problems with the semi-detached house already. Well, here you could build longer instead.
What do you think?
Best regards
Tolentino
Pinky0301 schrieb:
I find the living area too cramped. The table isn’t big, and you’re expecting 5 people (plus guests) to sit there? Is the kitchen going to be as drawn? It looks like you’d always have to squeeze past the table to get into the kitchen. Are you referring to the entire living area or just the dining area?
Regarding the dining area, I did mention (admittedly hidden in a very long text) that I would make the peninsula narrower. Then I would also bring the two kitchen sections closer together. Currently, they are about 145cm (57 inches) apart on the plan, but 120cm (47 inches) would be enough. So altogether, you could gain 50–80cm (20–31 inches).
An alternative would be to have no peninsula at all and instead use an L-shaped kitchen, allowing for a larger table. Would that work?
As the example furniture is shown, there is hardly any space to move around, neither to the left nor to the right of the dining table. The question is, of course, what dimensions are indicated and what are the actual sizes of your furniture. I recommend drawing the entire living-dining-kitchen area to scale with your furniture.
Unfortunately, I don’t understand your kitchen changes—what do you mean by "narrower peninsula"? In any case, you should already plan the kitchen carefully now to avoid any unpleasant surprises later.
Unfortunately, I don’t understand your kitchen changes—what do you mean by "narrower peninsula"? In any case, you should already plan the kitchen carefully now to avoid any unpleasant surprises later.
What bothers me most is that you actually need a separate dressing room, but now you’re supposedly able to do without it. The bathroom is relatively spacious compared to the rest, which you don’t really need. Still, you almost trip over the bathtub when entering.
I find the 2m (6.6 ft) closet in the bedroom very small. Is that enough for you?
On the ground floor, the wardrobe recesses make the room feel oppressively small. Are you really planning to have closets going all the way up to the ceiling there? If not, at least leave out the projection opposite the front door.
The shower bathroom is extremely cramped. Drying off probably feels like a dance.
The furniture in the open-plan living area, as shown, is very tight. I would wait for the changes you mentioned. As it is, it’s hard to get through to the terrace doors. The dining table doesn’t even accommodate five chairs – simply no space.
Does the room feel like a narrow corridor? I would say yes. But the budget doesn’t allow for any opening up.
Overall, the house feels overcrowded. Too many rooms squeezed into too small a space. With five people, it’s a constant shuffle past each other. But the budget and plot ratio are maxed out. What else can you do?!
I find the 2m (6.6 ft) closet in the bedroom very small. Is that enough for you?
On the ground floor, the wardrobe recesses make the room feel oppressively small. Are you really planning to have closets going all the way up to the ceiling there? If not, at least leave out the projection opposite the front door.
The shower bathroom is extremely cramped. Drying off probably feels like a dance.
The furniture in the open-plan living area, as shown, is very tight. I would wait for the changes you mentioned. As it is, it’s hard to get through to the terrace doors. The dining table doesn’t even accommodate five chairs – simply no space.
Does the room feel like a narrow corridor? I would say yes. But the budget doesn’t allow for any opening up.
Overall, the house feels overcrowded. Too many rooms squeezed into too small a space. With five people, it’s a constant shuffle past each other. But the budget and plot ratio are maxed out. What else can you do?!
kaho674 schrieb:
The shower bathroom is extremely tight. Drying off probably feels like a snake dance. The question is also how often it will be used for showering. I wouldn’t want to allocate more square meters for a guest toilet with a shower.
PyneBite schrieb:
The question is also how often the shower is used. I wouldn’t want to sacrifice more square meters for a guest WC with a shower.For 5 people and 2 bathrooms? I’d guess “often.”Pinky0301 schrieb:
I recommend that you draw the entire living-dining-kitchen area to scale, including your furniture.
I don’t quite understand your kitchen changes—what do you mean by “narrower peninsula”? kaho674 schrieb:
The furniture in the open-plan area, as drawn, feels very cramped. I’d wait to see the changes you have in mind. As it is, it’s hard to get to the patio doors. The dining table can barely fit five chairs—there’s just no space. I’ve now attached a version as I imagine it, with actual measurements from real furniture—I don’t find it too tight this way...
kaho674 schrieb:
The bathroom is relatively large compared to the rest of the space, which you probably don’t need. Still, when you enter, you almost trip over the bathtub. I’ve already asked about swapping the bathtub and the washbasin. The washbasin could then be moved a little more into the corner, so you don’t bump into it right when you enter.
kaho674 schrieb:
I think the 2-meter (6 feet 6 inches) wardrobe in the bedroom is quite small. Is that enough for you? As shown, it’s actually closer to 2.40 meters (7 feet 10 inches), plus an additional 1.50 meters (4 feet 11 inches) with a depth of 55cm (22 inches). That should be sufficient with a height of 2.50 meters (8 feet 2 inches).
kaho674 schrieb:
On the ground floor, the wardrobe protrusions make the room feel very cramped. Are you really planning closets up to the ceiling there? If not, at least remove the “nib” opposite the front door. Hmm, I’m still unsure about the height. I will ask about removing the “nib” (it’s a load-bearing wall due to its thickness, but the small section might be possible to remove).
Thanks for the initial suggestions. So, it doesn’t seem like a total disaster after all...?
PS: I just realized—the cooktop in front of the window isn’t really a good idea, is it?
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