ᐅ Security ratings RC2, RC2N, and electronic intruder protection
Created on: 17 Jan 2020 08:51
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Bauherr am L17 Jan 2020 08:51Dear building professionals,
The topic of burglary security comes up here from time to time. Our house will be fitted with about 8-10 tilt-and-turn windows accessible at ground level, and we are wondering how to make it more difficult for burglars. Our window supplier offers fittings rated RC2 or similar to RC2, priced at around 275 euros per tilt-and-turn sash plus lockable window handles for about 50 euros each.
As far as I understand the security classes, this would be RC2N since the glass itself does not yet meet the higher requirements. For that, the outer pane would need to be P4A, right? Would this then even be laminated into the frame? If you use RC2 fittings, is it strongly recommended to also use P4A glass?
In addition, we have two lift-and-slide units that we could also upgrade with RC2 fittings. However, I wonder how burglars would be able to pry open a lift-and-slide door sash weighing several hundred kilograms?
There is also the option to install electronic window contacts: ROTO MVS VdS C at approximately 175 euros each and locking contact sensors VdS C for multipoint locking at about 160 euros each.
That adds up quite a bit. Regarding the electronic contacts, I still don’t fully understand what would be sensible. Has anyone here dealt with this topic and could provide advice?
In general: the area where we are building is considered to have an average risk of burglary. There are about 70 houses on the street, most of them older, where a burglar might get in more quickly, but our house will clearly be one of the newer and more expensive-looking ones, which might make it more attractive as a target?
Thanks and best regards with a stuffy head
The topic of burglary security comes up here from time to time. Our house will be fitted with about 8-10 tilt-and-turn windows accessible at ground level, and we are wondering how to make it more difficult for burglars. Our window supplier offers fittings rated RC2 or similar to RC2, priced at around 275 euros per tilt-and-turn sash plus lockable window handles for about 50 euros each.
As far as I understand the security classes, this would be RC2N since the glass itself does not yet meet the higher requirements. For that, the outer pane would need to be P4A, right? Would this then even be laminated into the frame? If you use RC2 fittings, is it strongly recommended to also use P4A glass?
In addition, we have two lift-and-slide units that we could also upgrade with RC2 fittings. However, I wonder how burglars would be able to pry open a lift-and-slide door sash weighing several hundred kilograms?
There is also the option to install electronic window contacts: ROTO MVS VdS C at approximately 175 euros each and locking contact sensors VdS C for multipoint locking at about 160 euros each.
That adds up quite a bit. Regarding the electronic contacts, I still don’t fully understand what would be sensible. Has anyone here dealt with this topic and could provide advice?
In general: the area where we are building is considered to have an average risk of burglary. There are about 70 houses on the street, most of them older, where a burglar might get in more quickly, but our house will clearly be one of the newer and more expensive-looking ones, which might make it more attractive as a target?
Thanks and best regards with a stuffy head
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nordanney17 Jan 2020 08:57My opinion: Skip all the RC stuff and invest the money you save in more useful things for the house. Better to have a few motion detectors with proper lighting or similar.
Burglars usually enter through a door left open anyway...
Burglars usually enter through a door left open anyway...
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boxandroof17 Jan 2020 09:01Bauherr am L schrieb:
Now our window supplier offers fittings in RC2 or similar to RC2, price about 275 euros per tilt and turn sash plus lockable window handle for around 50 euros each.We only paid a few euros (5€/10€?) for the upgrade to RC2 fittings per sash. Something doesn’t seem right to me. I would skip it as well. We don’t have lockable handles on the ground floor because we would never lock them.
There is a video on YouTube where a layperson, guided step-by-step, quickly forces open a standard window, compared to how much effort a professional has to put in to break through RC2-rated (resistance class 2) protections. Eventually, the amateur still manages to get in. Most likely, though, they will give up and move on to a neighbor’s house or smash the glass, which is noisy.
The average professional won’t break in while the occupants are home; they will pick the lock when no one is around. However, they usually don’t target new builds because there’s nothing valuable inside. They prefer older buildings where, for example, an elderly person might keep cash in a dresser, whereas we have debts until retirement.
The typical burglar under the influence first rips out the roller shutter and then smashes the window, threatening you and your children until you give them everything.
I’m not afraid of the first type. The second type can’t be stopped by RC2 because they don’t care about noise—they are intoxicated and need money fast to buy drugs, ignoring the risks since they have access to methadone.
In my opinion, RC2 is sufficient; it gives you time to react when you are home. When you’re not there, it doesn’t make a difference.
The average professional won’t break in while the occupants are home; they will pick the lock when no one is around. However, they usually don’t target new builds because there’s nothing valuable inside. They prefer older buildings where, for example, an elderly person might keep cash in a dresser, whereas we have debts until retirement.
The typical burglar under the influence first rips out the roller shutter and then smashes the window, threatening you and your children until you give them everything.
I’m not afraid of the first type. The second type can’t be stopped by RC2 because they don’t care about noise—they are intoxicated and need money fast to buy drugs, ignoring the risks since they have access to methadone.
In my opinion, RC2 is sufficient; it gives you time to react when you are home. When you’re not there, it doesn’t make a difference.
nordanney schrieb:
My opinion: Skip all the RC stuff and invest the money saved into more useful things for the house. Better to have a few motion sensors with good lighting or something similar. Burglars usually come through the door left open anyway...There is no 100% protection; every property usually has a weak point, but every second counts. Possibly more effort means more noise... Regarding lighting, many break-ins happen in broad daylight.
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