I am currently planning the implementation of our smart home in the new build. I am still unsure about which basic system to use. However, I am already gathering components to be able to make comparisons.
Since I want to read the status of windows and patio doors (open, closed, tilted), I have researched and come up with the following options:
1. Window handle with integrated EnOcean transmitter (maintenance-free as it does not require batteries)
2. Wired window contacts installed in flush-mounted boxes. The cables would then be routed to the distribution panel.
3. Wireless window contacts with “Tibber”-style radio communication, no cables, no batteries
For me, window handles like those from HOPPE seem ideal. Does anyone have experience with such window handles? Since I do not want a closed patio door to be considered “closed” (the roller shutter should not close and lock me out if the patio door is only latched), wouldn’t only such a handle be suitable, or is it possible to simulate this somehow with window contacts?
Wouldn’t it be “smart” to choose these rotary handles instead of wiring all the windows to the distribution panel (do all contacts need to be wired individually to the panel, or can this be shortened by using multi-core cables)?
One more question:
If the window is forced open, the rotary handle does not detect this, right? Or is there a solution for this as well?
Since I want to read the status of windows and patio doors (open, closed, tilted), I have researched and come up with the following options:
1. Window handle with integrated EnOcean transmitter (maintenance-free as it does not require batteries)
2. Wired window contacts installed in flush-mounted boxes. The cables would then be routed to the distribution panel.
3. Wireless window contacts with “Tibber”-style radio communication, no cables, no batteries
For me, window handles like those from HOPPE seem ideal. Does anyone have experience with such window handles? Since I do not want a closed patio door to be considered “closed” (the roller shutter should not close and lock me out if the patio door is only latched), wouldn’t only such a handle be suitable, or is it possible to simulate this somehow with window contacts?
Wouldn’t it be “smart” to choose these rotary handles instead of wiring all the windows to the distribution panel (do all contacts need to be wired individually to the panel, or can this be shortened by using multi-core cables)?
One more question:
If the window is forced open, the rotary handle does not detect this, right? Or is there a solution for this as well?
untergasse43 schrieb:
With tilt detection, it would be possible to have shutters move to a slightly open position or blinds adjust their slats when windows are tilted to allow some ventilation. Alternatively, when windows are tilted and it starts to rain, the blinds or shutters could automatically close to prevent water from coming in. Another option would be to determine this status from a combination of an unlocked handle and a closed sash.Yes, this use case is the one I know as well. However, I wouldn’t justify the extra cost for it. Double sensors, double binary inputs. In a single-family home, that quickly adds up to around 1000€.
bauenmk2020 schrieb:
My better half likes to leave windows open...You can detect that with a closure status sensor as well. Tilt detection is just a more detailed form of detection. Both tilted and fully open count as “open.”
To reliably and 100% accurately detect both tilted and open states, you naturally need to install two contacts. I mentioned the MVS because every window manufacturer knows them, and you only need one magnet for both signals. Of course, you can install the contacts on any type of window. You might just need different magnets in some cases.
When I built my house, I simply used the cheapest contacts from Conrad because, at that time, including integration into the bus system, the cost came to about 30 euros per sash. So if you feel confident, you can easily do it yourself at a fraction of the cost.
When I built my house, I simply used the cheapest contacts from Conrad because, at that time, including integration into the bus system, the cost came to about 30 euros per sash. So if you feel confident, you can easily do it yourself at a fraction of the cost.
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Hamburger20208 May 2020 14:14Hello,
I’m coming back to the old topic again. We have the issue that our window installer also only uses the Siegenia Aerocontrol, but for us, they want to charge 180 net per piece, which is quite expensive. There is also no distinction between tilted and closed, as this is not VdS compliant. The window installer does not want to install any contacts that are not VdS compliant, so the Aerocontrol with tilt guard is not an option.
My question is: are there any technical or visual disadvantages if you install two Roto MvS contacts? Would this then be done by an electrician if you don’t want to do it yourself?
Or how would you proceed in our situation otherwise?
Thank you very much for your feedback.
I’m coming back to the old topic again. We have the issue that our window installer also only uses the Siegenia Aerocontrol, but for us, they want to charge 180 net per piece, which is quite expensive. There is also no distinction between tilted and closed, as this is not VdS compliant. The window installer does not want to install any contacts that are not VdS compliant, so the Aerocontrol with tilt guard is not an option.
My question is: are there any technical or visual disadvantages if you install two Roto MvS contacts? Would this then be done by an electrician if you don’t want to do it yourself?
Or how would you proceed in our situation otherwise?
Thank you very much for your feedback.
Hamburger2020 schrieb:
We have the problem that our window installer only fits the Siegenia Aerocontrol as well, but they want 180 net per unit from us, which is quite steep. There is also no distinction between tilted and closed settings, as this is not VdS compliant. The window installer does not want to install non-VdS compliant contacts either, so the Aerocontrol with tilt sensor is not an option. The UMS 001?
Then it should be clear—the window installer simply doesn’t want to do it or sees opportunities for luxury markups here. It’s not due to material costs or labor.
Whether the electrician will do it... probably only if they don’t have to drill into the profile. Otherwise, you’d have to do it yourself and risk voiding the window warranty.
Or just change the window installer. Either they’re unable or they want to rip you off.
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Hamburger20208 May 2020 15:44guckuck2 schrieb:
The UMS 001?
Then it should be clear that the window manufacturer simply isn’t interested or sees an opportunity to add luxury surcharges here. It’s not due to the material costs or the labor.
Whether the electrician will do it... probably only if they don’t have to drill through the profile. Otherwise, you’ll have to do it yourself and risk voiding the window warranty.
Or just switch the window manufacturer. Either they simply can’t do it, or they want to rip you off. I don’t have the exact designation. The window manufacturer also seems not properly informed about this. These are the standard monitoring features of Aldra windows.
The price seems very high to me as well. But changing the window manufacturer because of that is certainly not easy. We are building with a builder.
@Mycraft
I noticed that Siegenia also produces the hardware. Would this still work with Roto, which has its own hardware?
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