ᐅ Ordering a handleless kitchen involves an additional charge.
Created on: 1 Mar 2017 12:03
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Steffi33
The handles (about 30 pieces) cost a fortune at the kitchen showroom. So, I asked if we could simply leave them out, including the drilling for them, hoping to save a fair amount by doing this part myself. Of course, they know that I can get the same handles online for half the price, so instead of a discount, they charge a hefty surcharge when I order without handles. I just find that outrageous and taking advantage of the situation. Well, that had to be said...
Best regards, Steffi33.
Best regards, Steffi33.
At Ikea, there is the issue with assembly: either you have to do everything yourself, or you can only have Ikea appliances installed by Ikea’s assembly service.
We also have a countertop height of 91cm (36 inches) in our kitchen here, and I’m not very tall; I find it ideal.
Best regards
Sabine
We also have a countertop height of 91cm (36 inches) in our kitchen here, and I’m not very tall; I find it ideal.
Best regards
Sabine
Hello,
No offense, but the German standard dimensions are probably designed for 1.5m (4 ft 11 in) tall pygmies. An average-height person will get back pain bending over an 86cm (34 inches) work surface to reach into the sink... These low standard dimensions are, in my opinion, a real nuisance. I had to argue a lot with the plumber just to get the toilets mounted 4cm (1.5 inches) higher than the “standard.” (Even then, he only managed to hang them 2cm (0.8 inches) higher!)
I was so relieved to see that Ikea finally offers a kitchen height that is more comfortable for people…!
Best regards,
Andreas
Steffi33 schrieb:
back to the shorter people.. a work height of 86cm (34 inches) is really a common standard!
No offense, but the German standard dimensions are probably designed for 1.5m (4 ft 11 in) tall pygmies. An average-height person will get back pain bending over an 86cm (34 inches) work surface to reach into the sink... These low standard dimensions are, in my opinion, a real nuisance. I had to argue a lot with the plumber just to get the toilets mounted 4cm (1.5 inches) higher than the “standard.” (Even then, he only managed to hang them 2cm (0.8 inches) higher!)
I was so relieved to see that Ikea finally offers a kitchen height that is more comfortable for people…!
Best regards,
Andreas
Curly schrieb:
With Ikea, the problem is the assembly—you either have to do everything yourself, or you can only have Ikea appliances installed by Ikea’s assembly service.There is a third option, which is to outsource the assembly freely. Smaller kitchen studios with installation teams, carpenters, and similar tradespeople, as well as especially moving companies, offer this service.
Our last Ikea kitchen, roughly 2 by 4 meters (6.5 by 13 feet) estimated from a distance, cost exactly 500€ (about $550). A three-person team worked less than a full day, including everything. We only needed to provide a connector for the water supply. The electrical appliances (purchased separately) were fully installed. We found the service via MyHammer. They operate primarily as a moving company and are listed on MyHammer.
The same service would have cost 1000€ (about $1100) more if obtained directly from (or rather, through) Ikea. Ikea only refers customers to local tradespeople anyway.
Hi,
That is definitely what I recommend. I, being a fool, didn’t really consider this beforehand and ended up assembling the kitchen mostly on my own. For a total of 8 m (26 feet) of kitchen, that took quite a few days.
Best regards,
Andreas
Alex85 schrieb:
Our last IKEA kitchen, roughly 2x4m (6.5x13 feet) estimated from a distance, cost a solid 500€.
That is definitely what I recommend. I, being a fool, didn’t really consider this beforehand and ended up assembling the kitchen mostly on my own. For a total of 8 m (26 feet) of kitchen, that took quite a few days.
Best regards,
Andreas
Now that Steffi’s kitchen is ordered... we can have a little chat. Buying a kitchen is a broad topic full of character studies.
The situation: Call from the general contractor. We want to pour the foundation slab in January. So, we need a kitchen plan to place the water connections correctly. Do you already have one...?
No, of course not. So in early January, right after the 1st, kitchen planning started. First: What do we want? Or better: You? Wife! She wants white, matte finish, tall oven, induction cooktop, microwave, dishwasher, double sink, corner carousel, lots of drawers, no refrigerator (that should stand separately). OK. That’s the plan. Budget: 5,000 (currency). Let’s go.
About 30km (20 miles) away there is a smaller kitchen showroom with a good reputation. We wander through the showroom. Watched by two salespeople. But no one approaches us. Eye contact with one. Yes, I have an hour for you... then I have an appointment. The guy is in his late 20s. He listens, sketches, assembles, and acts. Done. $7,800 (without wall panels, those would be extra). But we want around $5,000... No, you simply won’t get there even with the best will, but he can go down to $6,800. Thanks, we’ll think about it... First impression: sticking to 5,000 will be tough. But also, he gave a $1,000 discount quite fast — who knows what margins are in there.
Then we visit a huge furniture store. A kitchen department the size of a soccer field. Complete kitchen with all appliances $2,666. Wow, hope rises. But no salesperson to be found, they basically hide. I bump into one. Do you have an appointment? No. We didn’t know you needed one. All right, grumpily he takes us on. Something like the $2,666 one there. Yes, that’s a Nobilia. Entry-level. OK, but we only want to spend $5,000. Hmmm, then you have to take Nobilia. Corner carousel? No, too expensive, he says. Wall panels? Over $1,000. The wide handles won’t work either. (Strange, on the $2,666 one they do, but that wouldn’t fit us.) Appliances? No, Bosch is too expensive. We’ll take AEG and Gorenje... Then comes Mr. Grumpy: No way, calculates, calculates– $7,500. If you sign today, the dishwasher is free. We hesitate, want to get some coffee to think. Still $7,100 left. Now he tries the boss special discount... I think, enough– can I talk to my wife for a moment? We consult, she feels the same, this won’t work. They’re trying to take us for fools; what we put together is no more than what’s advertised for $2,666, adding $1,000 for installation we’d be at max $4,000, the boss discount can go elsewhere... polite no thanks. Why not? He makes big puppy eyes. He sees the deal slipping away. Because we don’t want to sign now!
Then to IKEA. Skeptical, my wife looks over the showroom kitchens and finds that they don’t look any worse than what we saw before. — Just, how do you plan here? There are some PCs. I sit down. Let’s try... Jerome comes. May I help you? Ooo, a planner... Yes, we have our building plans, one kitchen for them. Give me that, and I’ll set up the room for you, and you, XYZ, can pick front, countertop, handle style. Then you come back to me. Well, I think to myself, the wife is choosing alone. She does. Veddinge white with walnut countertop and wide handles. Jerome finishes the room layout. Now he sends us off after a quick interview about other wishes to eat meatballs. In half an hour you can come back. Then I’ll make you an offer. Meatballs, come back, see the proposal. Well, it gets tweaked a bit. At least Jerome and my wife change some things. I daydream meanwhile. I’m not involved here anyway. Then it’s ready. Jerome grins. So, what do you think this will cost? I jump in: $3,500. He grins. No. $3,200 with LED lighting! Ooo, then wall panels are still possible. Jerome really hits his stride. I have something for that. It’s a new build. We don’t have to consider power outlets and such yet. We’ll take our standard panels, $79 each for 1.30m (4.3 ft), reversible in aluminum frames; if you don’t like one side anymore, you just flip it... two pieces, one behind the stove, one behind the sink, the rest you paint or wallpaper... cool. Those come in addition. And assembly? And delivery? Jerome calculates. Complete delivery to your house, installed, assembled, connected $4,890. That’s it, Jerome says. What’s next? You take the kitchen plan, he says, give it to your masonry company, they’ll build accordingly. The power outlets are already marked. When the screed is laid and the plaster is on the wall, call us. I’ll save this for you in our system. You’ll get the password and can check from home anytime. But if you change anything, be careful to contact me before “go” to check if it’s practical. Then one of us will come to take exact measurements. If all is OK, we order it. Two weeks later it’s installed.
Conclusion: It can be done!
The situation: Call from the general contractor. We want to pour the foundation slab in January. So, we need a kitchen plan to place the water connections correctly. Do you already have one...?
No, of course not. So in early January, right after the 1st, kitchen planning started. First: What do we want? Or better: You? Wife! She wants white, matte finish, tall oven, induction cooktop, microwave, dishwasher, double sink, corner carousel, lots of drawers, no refrigerator (that should stand separately). OK. That’s the plan. Budget: 5,000 (currency). Let’s go.
About 30km (20 miles) away there is a smaller kitchen showroom with a good reputation. We wander through the showroom. Watched by two salespeople. But no one approaches us. Eye contact with one. Yes, I have an hour for you... then I have an appointment. The guy is in his late 20s. He listens, sketches, assembles, and acts. Done. $7,800 (without wall panels, those would be extra). But we want around $5,000... No, you simply won’t get there even with the best will, but he can go down to $6,800. Thanks, we’ll think about it... First impression: sticking to 5,000 will be tough. But also, he gave a $1,000 discount quite fast — who knows what margins are in there.
Then we visit a huge furniture store. A kitchen department the size of a soccer field. Complete kitchen with all appliances $2,666. Wow, hope rises. But no salesperson to be found, they basically hide. I bump into one. Do you have an appointment? No. We didn’t know you needed one. All right, grumpily he takes us on. Something like the $2,666 one there. Yes, that’s a Nobilia. Entry-level. OK, but we only want to spend $5,000. Hmmm, then you have to take Nobilia. Corner carousel? No, too expensive, he says. Wall panels? Over $1,000. The wide handles won’t work either. (Strange, on the $2,666 one they do, but that wouldn’t fit us.) Appliances? No, Bosch is too expensive. We’ll take AEG and Gorenje... Then comes Mr. Grumpy: No way, calculates, calculates– $7,500. If you sign today, the dishwasher is free. We hesitate, want to get some coffee to think. Still $7,100 left. Now he tries the boss special discount... I think, enough– can I talk to my wife for a moment? We consult, she feels the same, this won’t work. They’re trying to take us for fools; what we put together is no more than what’s advertised for $2,666, adding $1,000 for installation we’d be at max $4,000, the boss discount can go elsewhere... polite no thanks. Why not? He makes big puppy eyes. He sees the deal slipping away. Because we don’t want to sign now!
Then to IKEA. Skeptical, my wife looks over the showroom kitchens and finds that they don’t look any worse than what we saw before. — Just, how do you plan here? There are some PCs. I sit down. Let’s try... Jerome comes. May I help you? Ooo, a planner... Yes, we have our building plans, one kitchen for them. Give me that, and I’ll set up the room for you, and you, XYZ, can pick front, countertop, handle style. Then you come back to me. Well, I think to myself, the wife is choosing alone. She does. Veddinge white with walnut countertop and wide handles. Jerome finishes the room layout. Now he sends us off after a quick interview about other wishes to eat meatballs. In half an hour you can come back. Then I’ll make you an offer. Meatballs, come back, see the proposal. Well, it gets tweaked a bit. At least Jerome and my wife change some things. I daydream meanwhile. I’m not involved here anyway. Then it’s ready. Jerome grins. So, what do you think this will cost? I jump in: $3,500. He grins. No. $3,200 with LED lighting! Ooo, then wall panels are still possible. Jerome really hits his stride. I have something for that. It’s a new build. We don’t have to consider power outlets and such yet. We’ll take our standard panels, $79 each for 1.30m (4.3 ft), reversible in aluminum frames; if you don’t like one side anymore, you just flip it... two pieces, one behind the stove, one behind the sink, the rest you paint or wallpaper... cool. Those come in addition. And assembly? And delivery? Jerome calculates. Complete delivery to your house, installed, assembled, connected $4,890. That’s it, Jerome says. What’s next? You take the kitchen plan, he says, give it to your masonry company, they’ll build accordingly. The power outlets are already marked. When the screed is laid and the plaster is on the wall, call us. I’ll save this for you in our system. You’ll get the password and can check from home anytime. But if you change anything, be careful to contact me before “go” to check if it’s practical. Then one of us will come to take exact measurements. If all is OK, we order it. Two weeks later it’s installed.
Conclusion: It can be done!
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