Hello everyone,
We had a carpenter install a sliding door between the kitchen and the living/dining room. The door was supposed to fully disappear into the wall, but it actually sticks out about 10cm (4 inches) beyond the door frame. The installer’s explanation was that otherwise, the door couldn’t be pulled out of its slot since the recessed handle would always have to remain on the outside.
I thought there were small fold-out hooks or an additional recessed handle on the edge of the door panel for this purpose.
Unfortunately, we did not specify the sliding door details carefully, as I assumed it was standard practice for a built-in door like this to fully slide into the wall.
What are your thoughts?
And could a hook or recessed handle be retrofitted on the edge of the door panel with a reasonable amount of effort? Unfortunately, the guide rail at the bottom has already been screwed into the parquet flooring, so there would likely be visible drill holes left behind, as the rail would also have to be recessed into the wall.
Best regards
We had a carpenter install a sliding door between the kitchen and the living/dining room. The door was supposed to fully disappear into the wall, but it actually sticks out about 10cm (4 inches) beyond the door frame. The installer’s explanation was that otherwise, the door couldn’t be pulled out of its slot since the recessed handle would always have to remain on the outside.
I thought there were small fold-out hooks or an additional recessed handle on the edge of the door panel for this purpose.
Unfortunately, we did not specify the sliding door details carefully, as I assumed it was standard practice for a built-in door like this to fully slide into the wall.
What are your thoughts?
And could a hook or recessed handle be retrofitted on the edge of the door panel with a reasonable amount of effort? Unfortunately, the guide rail at the bottom has already been screwed into the parquet flooring, so there would likely be visible drill holes left behind, as the rail would also have to be recessed into the wall.
Best regards
Now your response sounds completely different. Because in your first post, you didn’t even suggest that the team could write this simple sentence, which even your daughter could manage. So, what is it now?
But yes, here in Germany we have reached the point where for a simple door that is supposed to be flush with the wall, a specification document of two pages is required.
But yes, here in Germany we have reached the point where for a simple door that is supposed to be flush with the wall, a specification document of two pages is required.
tomtom79 schrieb:
But yes, here in Germany we have managed to require a specification sheet two pages long just for a simple door that is meant to be flush with the wall.No. But it’s not too much to ask for a simple instruction from the original poster to the contractor like “please install a flush door.”It’s comparable to an interior door—rebated or non-rebated. What is the standard? Both are common.
ateliersiegel15 Dec 2024 11:38What always puzzles me a bit are these discussions where the responses often rely on facts that cannot actually be found anywhere.
You can imagine how the agreement between the contractor and the client might have taken place based on the initial post, but you cannot know for sure.
Still, people speak as if it is absolutely clear that there is "a party at fault."
What I mean to say is:
There are posts supporting both sides, but my impression is that people take a stance without being able to definitively identify where a mistake might have been made.
It seems as if it is not about the issue itself, but rather about arguing.
I don’t think arguing is necessarily wrong, but it should have a purpose.
At least that’s my opinion.
You can imagine how the agreement between the contractor and the client might have taken place based on the initial post, but you cannot know for sure.
Still, people speak as if it is absolutely clear that there is "a party at fault."
What I mean to say is:
There are posts supporting both sides, but my impression is that people take a stance without being able to definitively identify where a mistake might have been made.
It seems as if it is not about the issue itself, but rather about arguing.
I don’t think arguing is necessarily wrong, but it should have a purpose.
At least that’s my opinion.
ateliersiegel schrieb:
What always surprises me a bit are those discussions where the replies often rely on supposed facts that cannot actually be found anywhere. It doesn’t surprise me. The original poster (OP) is asked at least six questions, with or without question marks.
If there is no response, one could assume that the OP "takes the blame"—regardless of whether anyone is actually looking for a culprit. Many inquiries are made here about how the situation came about, and there is participation in problem-solving—except from the OP.
ateliersiegel15 Dec 2024 12:49one could assume thatThat's exactly what I mean.
You don’t know for sure, but it’s assumed as if the facts were clear.
Especially when the original poster doesn’t want or can’t clearly commit, from my point of view there is absolutely no reason to take a stance.
I just wanted to point out that “conflict without cause” surprises me (and yes: honestly, it often annoys me quite a bit. But that’s my issue, and I can deal with it).
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haeusle-in-bw16 Dec 2024 16:07Thank you for the many responses, which clearly show a wide range of opinions.
Yes, we are laypeople, not craftsmen ourselves, this is our first house, and honestly, I have never seen a sliding door where part of it sticks out from the wall. (though I hadn’t really paid attention to this before either)
In our old rental apartment, we also had a sliding door, where the door panel completely disappeared into the wall and there was that small hook to pull it out.
However, the house was from 1950, and I have no idea if such doors are still sold or installed today. Apparently, that seems to be the case now, and it might even be possible to retrofit it.
In that respect, I would have expected a somewhat better consultation—the carpenter could have asked: do you want it like this, or do you want it like that?
Right now it does bother us a bit because it makes the doorway relatively narrow, and actually, we don’t plan to use the sliding door often, except when cooking something very greasy or smelly or when the loud extractor fan is on, while people are talking in the living/dining area. I imagine that might happen at most once a month.
I will contact the carpenter again to ask if it can still be retrofitted, even at our own expense if it really bothers us a lot, which will certainly become clear within the next 2–3 months.
Thank you very much for all your opinions.
Yes, we are laypeople, not craftsmen ourselves, this is our first house, and honestly, I have never seen a sliding door where part of it sticks out from the wall. (though I hadn’t really paid attention to this before either)
In our old rental apartment, we also had a sliding door, where the door panel completely disappeared into the wall and there was that small hook to pull it out.
However, the house was from 1950, and I have no idea if such doors are still sold or installed today. Apparently, that seems to be the case now, and it might even be possible to retrofit it.
In that respect, I would have expected a somewhat better consultation—the carpenter could have asked: do you want it like this, or do you want it like that?
Right now it does bother us a bit because it makes the doorway relatively narrow, and actually, we don’t plan to use the sliding door often, except when cooking something very greasy or smelly or when the loud extractor fan is on, while people are talking in the living/dining area. I imagine that might happen at most once a month.
I will contact the carpenter again to ask if it can still be retrofitted, even at our own expense if it really bothers us a lot, which will certainly become clear within the next 2–3 months.
Thank you very much for all your opinions.
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