Good evening everyone,
I recently joined this forum after we were awarded a plot of land in a new development area (in Rhineland-Palatinate, postal code area 55...). Since then, I have been following the discussions closely. At first, I didn’t want to share our floor plan for fear that I might not like it later. But now I’m curious to hear your thoughts. We still have the option to make minor adjustments. However, the building permit (planning permission) has already been granted. The kitchen is already planned as well. Both the kitchen and the furniture in the living-dining area are drawn to scale.
I hope the image resolution is sufficient to read everything clearly. Unfortunately, the plans are only available as scans. The north arrow on the plot is roughly drawn; it is correctly positioned on the plans. I’ve also attached a drone photo showing the current status (installed L-shaped concrete blocks at the rear side).
Here is the completed questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 617 sqm (6640 sq ft)
Slope yes (rear left boundary point -1.8m (-6 feet), rising again to the right)
Site occupancy index 0.3
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries n/a
Edge development Allowed for garage
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of storeys max. 2 full storeys
Roof type Main building with pitched roof, minimum roof pitch 20 degrees, or shed roof
Architectural style n/a
Orientation n/a
Maximum heights / restrictions Ridge height max. 8.5m (28 feet). Measurement is taken at the midpoint of the valley-facing building line above natural ground. Boundary walls/fences at rear and sides max. 2m (6.5 feet)
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type Gable roof
Basement, floors Basement yes, two full floors without knee walls
Number of occupants, age 3 persons, ages 31, 31, and 1.5 years
Room requirements on ground floor / upper floor Ground floor: living/dining room, kitchen, WC, pantry; upper floor: 2 children’s rooms, 2 bathrooms, master bedroom, walk-in closet
Office Family use or home office? Occasional home office
Overnight guests 0 per year
Open or closed layout Open
Traditional or modern construction A mix of both
Open kitchen, cooking island Yes
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace Yes
Music / stereo wall No
Balcony, roof terrace No, flat roofs are not accessible
Garage, carport Yes
Utility garden, greenhouse No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons for choices
- Garage parking for five cars and one trailer
- Large kitchen and pantry
- Separate bathrooms upstairs for parents and children
House Design
Who designed the plan?
- Mainly do-it-yourself
- Refined by our architect
What do you especially like? Why? Large children’s rooms, open living/dining area, separate bathrooms for parents and children upstairs, room orientation within the house
What do you dislike? Why? I would have preferred that the bedroom not be a passage room between the bathroom and walk-in closet, but moving the bedroom to the left side and accessing it through the closet reduced usable space too much.
Cost estimate according to architect/designer: $650,000 (excluding land)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: $650,000
Preferred heating system: Gas, solar thermal, hydronic fireplace
If you have to give up something, which details / extensions
- Can you give up: Suspended ceilings
- Cannot give up: Garage
Why did the layout become what it is?
We carefully reviewed our daily routines multiple times and defined what is important and what we can forego. That led to the pantry becoming a second kitchen, where we want to store all groceries (my husband really enjoys cooking and stocking food) and keep appliances (mixers, juicer, vacuum sealer, etc.) accessible without having to fetch them from cabinets every time. Beverage crates and the freezer will also have their place there.
Due to limited space downstairs, the office moved to the basement and will get a light well.
The garage must accommodate five cars. We currently own these cars and want them all to be housed in one place next to the house, unlike before when they were spread across several garages. (I know not everyone here can understand that 😉 )
To avoid congestion in the bathrooms later, the children should have their own bathroom. It was also important for us that the master bedroom is separated from the children’s rooms.
So, I hope I’ve covered everything and now: Fire away!
Best regards,
Steffi
I recently joined this forum after we were awarded a plot of land in a new development area (in Rhineland-Palatinate, postal code area 55...). Since then, I have been following the discussions closely. At first, I didn’t want to share our floor plan for fear that I might not like it later. But now I’m curious to hear your thoughts. We still have the option to make minor adjustments. However, the building permit (planning permission) has already been granted. The kitchen is already planned as well. Both the kitchen and the furniture in the living-dining area are drawn to scale.
I hope the image resolution is sufficient to read everything clearly. Unfortunately, the plans are only available as scans. The north arrow on the plot is roughly drawn; it is correctly positioned on the plans. I’ve also attached a drone photo showing the current status (installed L-shaped concrete blocks at the rear side).
Here is the completed questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 617 sqm (6640 sq ft)
Slope yes (rear left boundary point -1.8m (-6 feet), rising again to the right)
Site occupancy index 0.3
Building envelope, building line, and boundaries n/a
Edge development Allowed for garage
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of storeys max. 2 full storeys
Roof type Main building with pitched roof, minimum roof pitch 20 degrees, or shed roof
Architectural style n/a
Orientation n/a
Maximum heights / restrictions Ridge height max. 8.5m (28 feet). Measurement is taken at the midpoint of the valley-facing building line above natural ground. Boundary walls/fences at rear and sides max. 2m (6.5 feet)
Homeowners’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type Gable roof
Basement, floors Basement yes, two full floors without knee walls
Number of occupants, age 3 persons, ages 31, 31, and 1.5 years
Room requirements on ground floor / upper floor Ground floor: living/dining room, kitchen, WC, pantry; upper floor: 2 children’s rooms, 2 bathrooms, master bedroom, walk-in closet
Office Family use or home office? Occasional home office
Overnight guests 0 per year
Open or closed layout Open
Traditional or modern construction A mix of both
Open kitchen, cooking island Yes
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace Yes
Music / stereo wall No
Balcony, roof terrace No, flat roofs are not accessible
Garage, carport Yes
Utility garden, greenhouse No
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons for choices
- Garage parking for five cars and one trailer
- Large kitchen and pantry
- Separate bathrooms upstairs for parents and children
House Design
Who designed the plan?
- Mainly do-it-yourself
- Refined by our architect
What do you especially like? Why? Large children’s rooms, open living/dining area, separate bathrooms for parents and children upstairs, room orientation within the house
What do you dislike? Why? I would have preferred that the bedroom not be a passage room between the bathroom and walk-in closet, but moving the bedroom to the left side and accessing it through the closet reduced usable space too much.
Cost estimate according to architect/designer: $650,000 (excluding land)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: $650,000
Preferred heating system: Gas, solar thermal, hydronic fireplace
If you have to give up something, which details / extensions
- Can you give up: Suspended ceilings
- Cannot give up: Garage
Why did the layout become what it is?
We carefully reviewed our daily routines multiple times and defined what is important and what we can forego. That led to the pantry becoming a second kitchen, where we want to store all groceries (my husband really enjoys cooking and stocking food) and keep appliances (mixers, juicer, vacuum sealer, etc.) accessible without having to fetch them from cabinets every time. Beverage crates and the freezer will also have their place there.
Due to limited space downstairs, the office moved to the basement and will get a light well.
The garage must accommodate five cars. We currently own these cars and want them all to be housed in one place next to the house, unlike before when they were spread across several garages. (I know not everyone here can understand that 😉 )
To avoid congestion in the bathrooms later, the children should have their own bathroom. It was also important for us that the master bedroom is separated from the children’s rooms.
So, I hope I’ve covered everything and now: Fire away!
Best regards,
Steffi
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Matthew039 Jan 2019 11:09I think the design is very well done. The minor flaws have been mentioned and can hardly be resolved without creating other issues elsewhere...
Garage interior width is 7.23 meters (24 feet)... am I correct in assuming that 3 of the 5 cars are only used rarely? Those would practically be parked side by side at the back? For everyday use, three cars would be too tight to maneuver comfortably (about 50 cm / 20 inches of door opening space), but it might work for occasional use. In the "front" area near the door, then 2 cars plus a trailer? How wide is the trailer? I believe every centimeter (inch) of width counts here.
The kitchen size would even be suitable for a small restaurant 😉
Garage interior width is 7.23 meters (24 feet)... am I correct in assuming that 3 of the 5 cars are only used rarely? Those would practically be parked side by side at the back? For everyday use, three cars would be too tight to maneuver comfortably (about 50 cm / 20 inches of door opening space), but it might work for occasional use. In the "front" area near the door, then 2 cars plus a trailer? How wide is the trailer? I believe every centimeter (inch) of width counts here.
The kitchen size would even be suitable for a small restaurant 😉
Thank you very much for your feedback. I’m very happy that the floor plan is well received and not being torn apart 😉
That large shaft is the service shaft for all kinds of installations on the floors. From there, the lines run out radially to the rooms. I forgot to mention this in the initial post.
That’s exactly how the garage layout is planned. At the front left, a small vintage car, next to it the two everyday cars, so you can easily drive out. In the back row, the two convertibles. In summer, one of the convertibles moves to the front, and an everyday car goes to the back. The trailer can also be parked outside behind the garage if it gets too tight inside (there’s another garage door at the rear).
kaho674 schrieb:The stairwell does have a window on the landing up to the upper floor. Unfortunately, it’s only shown on the plans for the ground floor. The windowless guest toilet is the compromise we accepted to keep the rest of the downstairs consistent.
Ok, a couple of minor issues like the guest toilet and the stairs without a window.
kaho674 schrieb:At one point, we had the bedroom on the left side of the plan and the walk-in closet in the middle. However, since the walk-in closet then had two doors, there was no wall space left for wardrobes.
Upstairs, I would try to swap the walk-in closet and the bedroom. That way, the window behind the bed could be avoided. The question is, does the underfloor heating require that much space? But I guess you’ve already thought about this, haven’t you?
That large shaft is the service shaft for all kinds of installations on the floors. From there, the lines run out radially to the rooms. I forgot to mention this in the initial post.
kaho674 schrieb:Something like that 😉 One for every occasion 🙂
5 cars – do you really drive a different one every day and wash them all on weekends? 😀
Matthew03 schrieb:
I think it’s very well planned, the small flaws have been pointed out and can hardly be solved without creating other issues elsewhere...
Garage interior width 7.23m (23.7 ft)... am I right in guessing that 3 of the 5 cars are rarely used? They would be parked together at the back, practically side by side? For everyday use, three might be too tight to comfortably get in and out (about 50cm (20 inches) door opening space), but for occasional use it’s probably fine. At the front, towards the door, you’d have 2 cars plus a trailer? How wide is the trailer? Every centimeter of width counts here.
Kitchen size would be suitable for a small restaurant 😉
That’s exactly how the garage layout is planned. At the front left, a small vintage car, next to it the two everyday cars, so you can easily drive out. In the back row, the two convertibles. In summer, one of the convertibles moves to the front, and an everyday car goes to the back. The trailer can also be parked outside behind the garage if it gets too tight inside (there’s another garage door at the rear).
LaloBau schrieb:
This is exactly how it should look in the garage. A small classic car in the front left, next to it the two daily drivers, so you can drive out without any problems. In the back row, the two convertibles. In the summer, one of the convertibles moves to the front, and one of the daily drivers goes to the back. The trailer can also be parked outside behind the garage if it actually gets too tight (there is another garage door at the back).With the garage width and three cars side by side, walking through becomes very tight. Where are the bicycles stored? Do you have to go between the cars? I have more space between the cars and even then you have to be careful. A mountain bike already has a handlebar width of about 700mm (28 inches).
LaloBau schrieb:
I’m very glad that the floor plan is well received and not being torn apart I was just too tired last night :-)
But of course, I noticed that most of the measurements deviate from the standard module (which leads to shoddy workmanship). Load-bearing walls were not spared. The retractable staircase is drawn very narrow. I would not build a masonry chase for the service shaft between the bathrooms, but rather only install a partition wall between the bathrooms here. Airflow causes dust accumulation – I would reconsider combining occasionally used collector vehicles with regularly used vehicles, also regarding insurance: housing them in individually lockable, separated row garages is much more discreet.
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hanse987 schrieb:
With the garage width and three cars parked side by side, it already gets very tight when walking through. Where are the bicycles stored? Do you have to go between the cars? I have more space between the cars, and even then, you have to be careful. A mountain bike handlebar is about 700mm (28 inches) wide.Um, I have to admit that we don't own any bicycles yet 🙂 That will probably change once our son is old enough for a bike. Over the weekend, we printed out the real car sizes and parked them. I think it should work. If something larger ever needs to get through from the back, one car just has to be moved. It was no different in the single garages at my parents' place. But thanks for the comment!
11ant schrieb:
I wouldn’t build a solid wall where the utility shaft branch is between the bathrooms; instead, I’d just install a partition wall between the bathrooms. That is exactly what we have planned.At the moment, we are waiting for the construction drawings so we can commission the shell construction. Hopefully, things will start soon 🙂
What would be unacceptable for me in a house of this caliber is the kitchen. The distance between the rows is far too large, and the kitchen is too narrow for an island.
Since the kitchen needs to be wider and that will trigger major adjustments, it’s not a trivial matter.
Back wall cabinets 60cm (24 inches)
Distance between rows 120cm (47 inches)
Island depth 100–120cm (39–47 inches)
Distance to the wall on the right side 80–120cm (31–47 inches)
This means the room would need to be at least 360cm (142 inches) wide...
Alternatively, tall units could be placed at the bottom of the plan and then a large island positioned in the middle of the room. But as the kitchen currently is in the plan, it is absolutely terrible...
I don’t want to tear the plan apart, just improve it.
Regards
Since the kitchen needs to be wider and that will trigger major adjustments, it’s not a trivial matter.
Back wall cabinets 60cm (24 inches)
Distance between rows 120cm (47 inches)
Island depth 100–120cm (39–47 inches)
Distance to the wall on the right side 80–120cm (31–47 inches)
This means the room would need to be at least 360cm (142 inches) wide...
Alternatively, tall units could be placed at the bottom of the plan and then a large island positioned in the middle of the room. But as the kitchen currently is in the plan, it is absolutely terrible...
I don’t want to tear the plan apart, just improve it.
Regards
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