Hello,
so, similar to our previous single-family house project, we are now starting the planning for the multi-family house. The title was deliberately chosen to be the same as the single-family house thread.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/baubericht-einfamilienhaus-1200-eur-m.35362/
So far, we have purchased an old carpentry workshop that will be demolished.
On February 16th, the building inquiry already submitted will be discussed by the municipal council. The question concerns the development with 3 full floors and a flat roof.
At first, I found a floor plan that I quite like and whose dimensions almost fit perfectly.
I’m still unsure about the elevator and whether it’s really worth the $30,000 (offer from Kone). Possibly, we will prepare the shaft for later installation if accessibility becomes necessary. The toilets would be removed to save costs.
so, similar to our previous single-family house project, we are now starting the planning for the multi-family house. The title was deliberately chosen to be the same as the single-family house thread.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/baubericht-einfamilienhaus-1200-eur-m.35362/
So far, we have purchased an old carpentry workshop that will be demolished.
On February 16th, the building inquiry already submitted will be discussed by the municipal council. The question concerns the development with 3 full floors and a flat roof.
At first, I found a floor plan that I quite like and whose dimensions almost fit perfectly.
I’m still unsure about the elevator and whether it’s really worth the $30,000 (offer from Kone). Possibly, we will prepare the shaft for later installation if accessibility becomes necessary. The toilets would be removed to save costs.
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hanghaus200026 May 2021 11:09How large is the biggest house in the area? You should use that as your reference.
Section 34 states: "Within the continuously developed local areas, a project is permissible if, in terms of type and extent of structural use, construction method, and the plot area to be built on, it fits into the character of the immediate surroundings and the infrastructure is secured. The requirements for healthy living and working conditions must be maintained; the townscape must not be impaired."
The issue with parking spaces was already anticipated by @icandoit. For 6 residential units, that means at least 12 parking spaces. Is there a local parking regulation (parking space replacement fee)?
Section 34 states: "Within the continuously developed local areas, a project is permissible if, in terms of type and extent of structural use, construction method, and the plot area to be built on, it fits into the character of the immediate surroundings and the infrastructure is secured. The requirements for healthy living and working conditions must be maintained; the townscape must not be impaired."
The issue with parking spaces was already anticipated by @icandoit. For 6 residential units, that means at least 12 parking spaces. Is there a local parking regulation (parking space replacement fee)?
RomeoZwo schrieb:
So the blue house actually has 3 full floors, and I would also recognize the green and yellow ones as having 3 full floors (even if the mansard roof visually "softens" this).
The letter from the municipality seems to me more about reducing floor area ratio to maintain a more open style of construction. So I would try to reduce the floor space index first.
From the previous description, I understand that no basement is planned. Maybe a concept with a large apartment on the ground floor (4 rooms with garden), 2-3 smaller apartments on the upper floors (2 rooms), and another 4-room apartment in the attic, possibly as a set-back floor (penthouse), or 2x 2-room units. That’s a good argument.
I think if I have to downsize, then at least I will need a partial basement to create storage space.
RomeoZwo schrieb:
3-room apartments haven’t really been family apartments lately, but more for high-earning couples. They might rather move to the next town. Families connected to the area or lower-income singles with a job in the town would be your customers for the 4-room and 2-room apartments. According to that reasoning, you would need 7 parking spaces. I agree with that as well.
RomeoZwo schrieb:
P.S.: Nice Porsche ;-) If you build for 1200€/m² (130 €/ft²), there’s still something left for other things ;-)
hanghaus2000 schrieb:
How big is the largest house in the area? You should base your plans on that. Well, the houses across the street are indeed the largest, as RomeoZwo already mentioned. Unfortunately, on that other side (in the first picture on page 1) there are also single-story houses.
hanghaus2000 schrieb:
In section 34 it says: “Within the continuously developed parts of the town, a project is permitted if it fits the character of the immediate surroundings in terms of type and extent of building use, building method, and the plot area to be built on, and if access is ensured. Requirements for healthy living and working conditions must be maintained; the local appearance must not be impaired.”
As for the parking spaces, @icandoit already predicted that for you. With 6 residential units, that means at least 12 parking spaces. Is there a parking space regulation in your town (buy-out option?) Yes, but that shouldn’t be a problem. I want 2 single apartments and one larger apartment per floor. If the house gets smaller, then there is also more parking space on the plot.
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hanghaus200026 May 2021 11:36When it comes to dimensions, length and width are important. How is the plot of land utilized? The building authority can also see the surrounding buildings with their dimensions in the geoportal. So can you.
I basically agree with @RomeoZwo. Let me translate the official jargon from picky to plain English: the size is okay, but add more parking spaces; the flat roof is fine, but set back the third floor at a false eaves line at the top edge of the second floor’s ceiling, creating a sloped recess that visually mimics the lower part of a mansard roof. The building authority’s picky reviewer wants an apartment in this mansard penthouse – if she is single, this apartment shouldn’t be too large and, depending on her rank, will probably have a maximum size of A11. Call me a woman’s advocate ;-)
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11ant schrieb:
I basically agree with @RomeoZwo. Let me translate the official jargon from picky to plain: the size is acceptable, but add more parking spaces; the flat roof is okay, but set back the third floor at a false eaves line at the top edge of the second floor's ceiling, creating a visual effect similar to the lower part of a mansard roof. The picky planner at the building authority wants to have an apartment in this mansard penthouse – if this person is single, the apartment should not be too large, probably no bigger than an A11 unit depending on their status. Call me an expert on women ;-) How do you conclude “Size is okay” when:
- The surroundings mostly consist of single- or two-family houses
- The building does not blend in due to its volume
- The town verbally already criticized the 20m (65.6 ft) length
hanghaus2000 schrieb:
The dimensions also relate to length and width. How are the plots being utilized? The building authority can see the surrounding buildings and their measurements in the geoportal. You can as well. In my opinion, the development along the street looks very dense. And the row houses also have a considerable volume.
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hanghaus200027 May 2021 09:48How long is the existing house?
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