Hello everyone,
A brief preliminary note:
The desire to build a house has existed for some time. I have been intensively researching this complex topic (including smart home technology) for about 2 to 3 months now. The approximate building plot is identified but not yet finalized, as the city still needs to establish a zoning plan there. Currently, the city is waiting for the soil test results.
Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to answer all the questions from the pinned post yet, since nothing is definite — except that my wife and I want to build an urban villa of about 180-200 m² (1,940-2,150 sq ft) with an attached (double) garage.
When planning the floor layout, the living room and kitchen area is proving to be very challenging.
We do not want an open kitchen because, first, we don’t want cooking odors in the living room, and second, we want to watch TV calmly in the living room even when someone is cooking in the kitchen. So, the following plan is not suitable for us:
left: U-shaped sofa with TV and surround sound system
center: fireplace and dining table
right: kitchen
However, the plan gives a rough idea of the proportions and space requirements.
(I have roughly estimated the fireplace and the necessary clearance around it.)
The dining table should normally seat 4 people and be extendable to at least 8 for guests.
The kitchen does not have to be U-shaped. A kitchen island is not desired.
A patio door is desired from either the kitchen or dining area.
I tried to insert a partial wall with a large sliding door between the dining table and sofa, but this is not possible due to the fireplace’s position.
Maybe someone here has struggled with the same or similar conditions.
Best regards,
Dennis
A brief preliminary note:
The desire to build a house has existed for some time. I have been intensively researching this complex topic (including smart home technology) for about 2 to 3 months now. The approximate building plot is identified but not yet finalized, as the city still needs to establish a zoning plan there. Currently, the city is waiting for the soil test results.
Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to answer all the questions from the pinned post yet, since nothing is definite — except that my wife and I want to build an urban villa of about 180-200 m² (1,940-2,150 sq ft) with an attached (double) garage.
When planning the floor layout, the living room and kitchen area is proving to be very challenging.
We do not want an open kitchen because, first, we don’t want cooking odors in the living room, and second, we want to watch TV calmly in the living room even when someone is cooking in the kitchen. So, the following plan is not suitable for us:
left: U-shaped sofa with TV and surround sound system
center: fireplace and dining table
right: kitchen
However, the plan gives a rough idea of the proportions and space requirements.
(I have roughly estimated the fireplace and the necessary clearance around it.)
The dining table should normally seat 4 people and be extendable to at least 8 for guests.
The kitchen does not have to be U-shaped. A kitchen island is not desired.
A patio door is desired from either the kitchen or dining area.
I tried to insert a partial wall with a large sliding door between the dining table and sofa, but this is not possible due to the fireplace’s position.
Maybe someone here has struggled with the same or similar conditions.
Best regards,
Dennis
kbt09 schrieb:
No way... some things just exist ;-) ... If what you have drawn is supposed to be arranged in any somewhat sensible way, you need an interior house width of about 11 to 12 m (36 to 39 feet) ... as I said, interior width.Then so be it! Until now, I have been planning with a 10x10 m (33x33 ft) floor plan.
kbt09 schrieb:
There are many more concepts Which ones?
Except for:
kbt09 schrieb:
Living as one room and dining/cooking as the second room The problem with this "concept" is that we also like to have game nights where we prefer to sit around a large table.
kbt09 schrieb:
Equipped with a fireplace integrated into the dividing wall, etc. Okay. That might be an option.
kbt09 schrieb:
But without a site plan and other data, you can’t just create a "room" and move partition walls around. Really *shakes head*. I can’t follow that. It is definitely possible to design a floor plan more or less freely. Of course, it might not fit 100% once the building permit / planning permission is finalized, but then you adjust it a bit.
If I wait until the building permit is finalized, I won’t have time left for anything else.
If push comes to shove, I simply won’t take this plot.
I don’t have to build a house at any cost.
You haven’t created many complete floor plans yet. That’s exactly why it’s quite difficult to adjust a floor plan once you already have one.
Also, there are several additional square meters hidden between an exterior dimension of 10 x 10 m (33 x 33 ft) and an interior size of 11 to 12 m (36 to 39 ft).
Also, there are several additional square meters hidden between an exterior dimension of 10 x 10 m (33 x 33 ft) and an interior size of 11 to 12 m (36 to 39 ft).
kbt09 schrieb:
That’s exactly the problem when you have a floor plan and then try to modify it afterward. It’s mostly difficult mentally, you mean, right?
That’s just how it is. If it doesn’t fit, it will be made to fit.
kbt09 schrieb:
And between an exterior dimension of 10 x 10 m (33 x 33 ft) and an interior dimension of 11 to 12 m (36 to 39 ft) there are quite a few extra square meters hidden.I meant the interior dimensions! So far, I’ve only been designing the floor plans based on interior dimensions. I don’t yet know how thick the individual walls and ceilings will be. By the way, that also depends on the floor plan itself. 😉
J
j.bautsch30 Nov 2016 08:36What? The wall thickness depends on the floor plan? No! I think you’ve spent the last 2 or 3 months focusing only on your furniture and the smart home system.
What is much more important at the beginning is to be clear about which wall construction you want or need to use (also considering KfW standards). This already determines the likely wall thickness of the exterior walls, for example.
What level of sound insulation do I need and want to achieve, both inside and outside? After all, who wants to move into a house and not hear the neighbors fart but instead hear the wife or kids? 😉
Once the construction timeframe and wall thicknesses are fixed, THEN you can plan the floor plan.
As others have already said: you’re putting the cart before the horse 😉
What is much more important at the beginning is to be clear about which wall construction you want or need to use (also considering KfW standards). This already determines the likely wall thickness of the exterior walls, for example.
What level of sound insulation do I need and want to achieve, both inside and outside? After all, who wants to move into a house and not hear the neighbors fart but instead hear the wife or kids? 😉
Once the construction timeframe and wall thicknesses are fixed, THEN you can plan the floor plan.
As others have already said: you’re putting the cart before the horse 😉
Whether the wall is slightly thicker or thinner doesn't matter initially when arranging the rooms.
Yes, it does! Depending on the floor plan, electrical installations, plumbing, and ventilation are planned. This can have an impact on the structural engineering and therefore may require thicker walls and ceilings.
Certainly, the wall thickness mostly depends on the construction method, insulation, and soundproofing, but not exclusively. And as mentioned before, this is not important initially when figuring out how to arrange the rooms in relation to each other.
j.bautsch schrieb:
what? The wall thickness depends on the floor plan? No!
Yes, it does! Depending on the floor plan, electrical installations, plumbing, and ventilation are planned. This can have an impact on the structural engineering and therefore may require thicker walls and ceilings.
Certainly, the wall thickness mostly depends on the construction method, insulation, and soundproofing, but not exclusively. And as mentioned before, this is not important initially when figuring out how to arrange the rooms in relation to each other.
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