ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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R.Hotzenplotz31 Jul 2017 08:4311ant schrieb:
The explanation is quite straightforward: he simply doesn’t have these concerns yet. Where would he, anyway?My impression is that they are not planning and building their first house. "Where would he, anyway." sounds a bit like someone completely new to the industry is planning and carrying it out. Or not?
Looking at the flood of posts, I find it hard to believe that this process is being guided in parallel by an architect following the planning structure based on the HOAI. You cannot generate a building design through forum posts.
For service phases 1 and 2 (basic evaluation and preliminary design), which seem to be the focus so far, it is completely sufficient for the architect’s proposals, the client’s ideas, and the contributions of some supporting engineers (geotechnical engineer, surveyor, structural engineer) to be coordinated and combined into a coherent building concept. This does not appear to be the case here.
For service phases 1 and 2 (basic evaluation and preliminary design), which seem to be the focus so far, it is completely sufficient for the architect’s proposals, the client’s ideas, and the contributions of some supporting engineers (geotechnical engineer, surveyor, structural engineer) to be coordinated and combined into a coherent building concept. This does not appear to be the case here.
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R.Hotzenplotz31 Jul 2017 11:12Yes, we have signed an architect contract according to HOAI covering service phases 1 to 4.
kaho674 schrieb:
That would be unbuildable. Wouldn’t all houses with setbacks on the upper floor and, for example, roof terraces be affected? Am I understanding this correctly? R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
No more stepped floors at all? So only fully aligned storeys? No, stepped floors are not a problem. Even the laundry drying rooftop terrace is allowed. The issue here is that for almost 75 cm (30 inches), nearly the entire approximately 45 m (150 feet) exterior wall length of the upper floor basically stands "next to" the wall of the ground floor. The structural aspect is quite challenging, and the thermal aspect completely throws a wrench into the plan.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
My impression is not that they are planning and building their first house. They come across as experienced—building solid, straightforward houses, maybe occasionally with normal stepped floors. But no one has probably ever built a house so consistently packed with critical points.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
This sounds a bit like a complete outsider to the industry is planning and executing this. “Outsider” is actually a fairly accurate term for many young architects these days.
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R.Hotzenplotz31 Jul 2017 19:49kaho674 schrieb:
Personally, I’m curious: What does Architect 1 say about the fact that his masterpiece can’t actually be built? I mean, does he get paid for a design that isn’t feasible?No idea. I don’t have a contract with him. What he agreed on with the builder – no idea.