ᐅ Preliminary floor plan design for a 220 m² single-family house
Created on: 20 Jun 2017 22:41
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R.Hotzenplotz
Hello!
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
We have already gone through several plans with our architect and I think we are almost there, about to start the detailed planning phase. Before that, I’m looking forward to getting feedback from other users.
Development plan/restrictions: §34 – two full stories
Plot size: 1,085m² (1,1679 yd²)
Basement, floors – 2 full stories plus partial basement
Number of people, ages – 3 people (37, 34, 1, second child planned)
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor – the requirement was that bedrooms and the study should be about 17m² (183 ft²) each; the entire house should be approximately 220m² (2,368 ft²)
Office: family use
Guests per year: 1
Open or closed architecture: closed
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – no open kitchen, but yes to a kitchen island
Number of dining seats – 6
Fireplace – yes
Music/stereo wall – TV wall
Balcony, roof terrace – balcony
Garage, carport – large garage
Additional wishes/special features/daily routines, preferably with reasons why certain things should or should not be included – everyone should be able to sleep as undisturbed as possible in their bedrooms, even if other family members are awake. The husband is sometimes up as early as 4 a.m. Otherwise, watching TV in the evening should be possible without disturbing those sleeping upstairs.
House design
Who created the design:
- Architect (freelancer for a general contractor)
What do you like most? Why?
The upper floor with well-sized rooms and the location of the rooms exactly where they should be (only the washroom area we would still like to move to the outer right corner so that you don’t have to pass it every time you use the toilet). On the ground floor, the access through an airlock, the kitchen, and the dining area with the study next to it are especially liked.
Also appreciated is that after adjustments, the study now faces the garden instead of the street.
What don’t you like? Why?
We originally wanted the distance from wall to wall where the sofa and TV stand is to be about 6.40m (21 ft) (large screen & surround system), but so far only 5.69m (19 ft) has been realized.
Laundry room as described.
Kitchen larger in square meters than needed; the approx. 3m² (32 ft²) could theoretically be used well in the living area.
Price estimate according to architect/planner:
720,000 euros (including construction incidentals)
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment:
800,000 euros
Preferred heating technology:
Gas
If you have to give up on something, which details/features can you do without?
- Can do without:
Technical systems like controlled residential ventilation
- Cannot do without:
Space (except for the kitchen)
Why is the design the way it is now? For example:
Is this a standard design from the planner?
The architect has largely implemented our wishes; the only issue is the living room situation.
What makes it particularly good or bad in your opinion?
Patient, quick to implement, has already gotten to know us well.
No negative points.
Do you notice any other points that might not fit or that we should consider, which we might have overlooked?
In the basement, the room currently labeled as home cinema might possibly be used as one medium- to long-term. For the foreseeable future, it will be a storage room.
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chand19863 Aug 2017 11:18Regarding the airlock:
How often is the garage door opened, and for how long? Answer: Not very often, and when it is, not for long. Any slight odor (why would there be a smell of gasoline, is your fuel tank leaking?) should be quickly removed by the controlled mechanical ventilation system you probably have. Ideally, the exhaust vent should be located near the garage entrance.
Therefore, the airlock functions very well.
A completely different consideration: Any gasoline smell will likely become irrelevant in the future as electric vehicles will be used. Have you planned to install a three-phase power supply with sufficient amperage in your garage? Without this, I don’t think it will be very future-proof. After all, you probably intend to live in the house for 20 years or more, not to mention resale value. Electric cars need to be charged somewhere.
So, it’s best to install a heavy-duty power conduit there during construction!
How often is the garage door opened, and for how long? Answer: Not very often, and when it is, not for long. Any slight odor (why would there be a smell of gasoline, is your fuel tank leaking?) should be quickly removed by the controlled mechanical ventilation system you probably have. Ideally, the exhaust vent should be located near the garage entrance.
Therefore, the airlock functions very well.
A completely different consideration: Any gasoline smell will likely become irrelevant in the future as electric vehicles will be used. Have you planned to install a three-phase power supply with sufficient amperage in your garage? Without this, I don’t think it will be very future-proof. After all, you probably intend to live in the house for 20 years or more, not to mention resale value. Electric cars need to be charged somewhere.
So, it’s best to install a heavy-duty power conduit there during construction!
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
Is there any reason not to continue working with the draft I posted yesterday? You mean the design from #265? – apart from the non-functional basement stairs, there’s no reason against it. My ground floor proposal was meant to demonstrate how the 213-sqm (2,293-sq ft) design could be improved, rather than using the support columns in the living room. To show what a first floor matching the ground floor could look like, I logically had to refer to this ground floor. For this demonstration purpose, it doesn’t matter if your preference for the kitchen side of the house has meanwhile switched to the "right."
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
And with the pipes, it might cost a bit more, but then I have the floor plan as it should be, and I don’t plan around the pipes. It’s less about the individual pipe and more about the fact that including routes, shafts, and chases in the house planning would lead to what you actually want (but keep frustrating with unsuitable marching orders for the planner): that is, arriving organically at a constructivist design. This is the only productive way to achieve a "Bauhaus." The path you’re taking is this: you take a coffee grinder, twist it like a Rubik’s Cube, and since the result obviously isn’t Bauhaus, you try to “fix” it with too much makeup. Moving the kitchen to the other side of the house won’t cure that either. The kitchen at the front left was already the result of lengthy discussions and was considered a good conclusion; without the problem of the supporting beam—which had nothing to do with the kitchen location—it would have been built as is. Constantly reopening already settled discussion points will only delay the start of construction into winter.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I would like to see a photo with the posted roof. The hallway is a cuboid. Imagining a prism—either glazed or with galvanized sheet metal—attached there already exceeds your imagination?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
The architect strongly recommends this extra airlock to keep gasoline and rubber smells from the garage away from the wardrobe. He’s right. 11ant recommends reconsidering the "need" for a drive-in pantry. What you want to eat, you also need to be able to carry in. An eight-meter (26-foot) detour to avoid muscle loss sounds like a fair trade.
chand1986 schrieb:
You’ll probably live in the house for 20 years or more, not to mention resale value. Electric cars need to be charged somewhere. You can’t be serious, right? The nonsense of driving cars powered by coal and nuclear energy just because they are nominally "clean" at the exhaust point won’t last twenty years. The future definitely does not belong to single-fuel vehicles, no matter which fuel that is.
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chand19863 Aug 2017 13:3211ant schrieb:
You can’t be serious, right? The nonsense of driving cars powered by coal or nuclear energy just because they are nominally "clean" at the tailpipe measurement point won’t last twenty years. The future definitely doesn’t belong to single-fuel cars, no matter which fuel that is.It’s actually interesting that everyone has an area where they really have no clue. I could explain to you why burning oil in a power plant to generate electricity for electric vehicles is still significantly better than refining it first into fuel that is then burned in small, inefficient power plants (car engines). And I could point out that in Germany, of all places, the automotive “specialist” press (the quotation marks on “specialist” aren’t for nothing) systematically presents false information on this topic.
The only thing that is nominally clean is walking. The point is “cleaner than the old alternative.” What would really make a difference is if individual mobility were no longer tied to individual car ownership. That is coming as well.
The future of the car will be purely electric vehicles, with ranges increasing and prices dropping significantly. In 15 years, no sane person will buy anything with an internal combustion engine, no matter what exactly is burned in it.
But if you really want to discuss this, open an off-topic thread somewhere and invite me; otherwise, we’ll derail the original thread.
To get back on topic:
11ant schrieb:
11ant recommends thinking about the "necessity" of a drive-in pantry. What you want to eat, you should be able to carry. An eight-meter (26 feet) detour to prevent muscle loss is a fair deal.I fully agree with that.
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R.Hotzenplotz3 Aug 2017 16:2311ant schrieb:
You mean the design from #265? - Exactly, that’s the one. Now we’re getting into the details.
I’ve already requested information about the basement stairs.
11ant schrieb:
The kitchen at the front left was already the result of a long discussion and was considered a good conclusion. Without the beam issue—which had nothing to do with the kitchen location—it would have been built as is. Reopening already settled discussion points constantly will only push the start of construction into winter.The kitchen discussion was settled. The entire design was finalized. But it couldn’t be built. And we didn’t like the adjusted ground floor layout nor the revised exterior appearance. Therefore, some things inside and outside have been reconsidered. I actually see this as a positive change if it can be built that way.
11ant schrieb:
The hallway is a rectangular block. Imagining a prism—glazed or zinc sheet metal—on top of it already stretches your imagination?Yes. Unfortunately, I just can’t picture that…
11ant schrieb:
He’s right. 11ant suggests reconsidering the “necessity” of a drive-in pantry. What you plan to eat, you should also be able to carry yourself. An extra eight meters (26 feet) of walking to avoid muscle loss is a fair trade-off.It’s definitely not essential. But I also don’t see any real advantage in removing it. It’s a nice-to-have, not a must-have. We agree on that. But the design seems to fit well. So why should I take it out now?
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
So some things inside and outside were approached differently. I think that’s very positive if it can be built that way. In the end, I also think that’s good – but at the self-discovery stage of the process, I wouldn’t involve the architect. Their responsibility is to deliver a design that can be approved, not to act as your personal trainer coaching you through your building ideas until you finally like the seventeenth version. That’s why I wouldn’t bother them now with something like
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
I’ve asked about the basement stairs. To gain the length of four steps (which would be necessary to access the basement stairs at this point), the basement would have to be about four steps (approximately 75 cm (30 inches)) lower than the ground floor. I think this is understandable without asking for a drawn proof.
R.Hotzenplotz schrieb:
It’s a nice to have, not a must have. We agree on that. But the design does seem to fit. So why should I remove it now? No, I wouldn’t remove it deliberately. But I wouldn’t add it to the wish list in a new design – only include it if it happens to fit in again by chance.
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Traumfaenger6 Aug 2017 23:4511ant schrieb:
11ant recommends considering the "necessity" of a drive-in pantry. What you plan to eat, you should be able to carry in yourself. An eight-meter (26-foot) detour versus muscle loss is a fair trade. That would bother me a lot as well, probably because we prefer fresh food and therefore shop frequently. If you shop rarely and mainly buy concentrated convenience food, it might be different. So this is more of a personal objection. For me personally, it would be a downside if I bought such an existing property. Also, the terrace door from the kitchen seems to have no practical use for me. We would not use it in this location. It would be more like a fixed window without a door, so we could save that cost.
PS: The new layout also lacks a utility room/pantry with access from the kitchen.
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