ᐅ Cat droppings or wildlife scat? Warning: image of animal droppings!
Created on: 10 Jul 2018 13:03
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andimann
Hello everyone,
(Hope I don’t get banned right away for posting a bunch of crap…)
Some animal is leaving a pile of droppings on our lawn almost every night, strangely always in almost the same spot (plus or minus 2 m (6.5 ft)). At first, I suspected the neighbor’s cat, but the pile seems too large for a cat, right? Also, don’t cats usually go into garden beds rather than right in the middle of the lawn?
Question: Can anyone tell me if this could still be cat droppings? If so, I guess a conversation with the neighbors is due.
I’m getting tired of cleaning it up every morning, and even more worried that my kids might step in it while playing or that my son might try to taste it. My nephew once caught worms that way, which was quite unpleasant. That really shouldn’t happen.
And if it’s something else: what could it be and, above all, how do I get rid of it?
Barbed wire, spring-loaded traps, anti-aircraft guns, nuclear bomb?
Best regards,
Andreas
(Hope I don’t get banned right away for posting a bunch of crap…)
Some animal is leaving a pile of droppings on our lawn almost every night, strangely always in almost the same spot (plus or minus 2 m (6.5 ft)). At first, I suspected the neighbor’s cat, but the pile seems too large for a cat, right? Also, don’t cats usually go into garden beds rather than right in the middle of the lawn?
Question: Can anyone tell me if this could still be cat droppings? If so, I guess a conversation with the neighbors is due.
I’m getting tired of cleaning it up every morning, and even more worried that my kids might step in it while playing or that my son might try to taste it. My nephew once caught worms that way, which was quite unpleasant. That really shouldn’t happen.
And if it’s something else: what could it be and, above all, how do I get rid of it?
Barbed wire, spring-loaded traps, anti-aircraft guns, nuclear bomb?
Best regards,
Andreas
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chand198620 Jul 2018 20:03@Steven
This isn’t about who is ultimately right. If a mandatory commitment from cat owners helps you sleep better at night, there’s no way to help you. It’s pointless for outdoor cats due to impracticality. At best, someone would have to come by every time to clean your lawn.
My point was about proportionality: If you have to take action yourself anyway, why use a live trap costing $50 instead of a valerian-lavender-mint infusion for $0.50?
That only makes sense if you need to work on your peace of mind by reprimanding the owner.
Also, the idea that you can leave a cat in a trap for a few hours during weather like this is nonsense. Besides the cost, you’re just adding unnecessary work for yourself.
Question: Why?
This isn’t about who is ultimately right. If a mandatory commitment from cat owners helps you sleep better at night, there’s no way to help you. It’s pointless for outdoor cats due to impracticality. At best, someone would have to come by every time to clean your lawn.
My point was about proportionality: If you have to take action yourself anyway, why use a live trap costing $50 instead of a valerian-lavender-mint infusion for $0.50?
That only makes sense if you need to work on your peace of mind by reprimanding the owner.
Also, the idea that you can leave a cat in a trap for a few hours during weather like this is nonsense. Besides the cost, you’re just adding unnecessary work for yourself.
Question: Why?
Whether you like it or not, no one here cares.
After completely denying any responsibility, if you were my neighbor, I would of course collect the feces from your property every day and disinfect the spot with Sagrotan.
For example, the Darmstadt Regional Court has a different opinion than you.
And on the topic of animal cruelty, everyone agrees. You are loudly and clearly calling for that.
After completely denying any responsibility, if you were my neighbor, I would of course collect the feces from your property every day and disinfect the spot with Sagrotan.
For example, the Darmstadt Regional Court has a different opinion than you.
And on the topic of animal cruelty, everyone agrees. You are loudly and clearly calling for that.
[QUOTE="haydee, post: 271660, member: 9254And everyone agrees on the topic of animal cruelty. You are calling out loudly and clearly on this.[/QUOTE]
Hello haydee
NO!!! Animal cruelty is completely against my values. I would never accept it or condone it.
I have no problem with killing animals, but I do have a problem with torturing them. I would never do that. I have killed animals, for example to eat them. Not in Germany. I am not a hunter. And as a child, we were sent out to find young cats and, if no one wanted them, to kill them. That was normal. But I have never tortured an animal. That is completely foreign to me.
I also don’t see it as cruelty when a cat owner refuses to cooperate in disciplining their cat. What is wrong with that?
Steven
Hello haydee
NO!!! Animal cruelty is completely against my values. I would never accept it or condone it.
I have no problem with killing animals, but I do have a problem with torturing them. I would never do that. I have killed animals, for example to eat them. Not in Germany. I am not a hunter. And as a child, we were sent out to find young cats and, if no one wanted them, to kill them. That was normal. But I have never tortured an animal. That is completely foreign to me.
I also don’t see it as cruelty when a cat owner refuses to cooperate in disciplining their cat. What is wrong with that?
Steven
haydee schrieb:
For example, the Darmstadt Regional Court has a different opinion than you. Hello haydee
That is incorrect. This ruling actually reflects my opinion precisely.
The lawsuit claimed that up to 5 cats were roaming in the garden. The garden owner also complained about contamination from feces. However, this was not supported by any evidence and therefore was not taken into account in the judgment. The judge ruled that up to 2 cats entering the garden can be considered as "visitors." Although the court sees this as a "disturbance," it is acceptable. The implication is: as soon as the cats defecate in the garden, this is no longer acceptable.
Don’t just focus on the seemingly positive part of the ruling.
Steven
You are not my neighbor, so there is no need to continue this discussion.
As I said, nobody here cares.
I interpret the ruling differently. However, the neighbor is not allowed to keep an unlimited number of cats. I agree with that, but for different reasons.
Where did you grow up?
I do not condemn the collection and, if necessary, euthanasia of young cats! Uncontrolled breeding of cats is a problem.
As I said, nobody here cares.
I interpret the ruling differently. However, the neighbor is not allowed to keep an unlimited number of cats. I agree with that, but for different reasons.
Where did you grow up?
I do not condemn the collection and, if necessary, euthanasia of young cats! Uncontrolled breeding of cats is a problem.
Steven, I understand your reasoning regarding involving the cat owner. Honestly, I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t be willing to resolve the issue with you if it can be proven that their pet was responsible. Of course, there are always some individuals who ignore the problem.
However, I strongly disagree with your final suggestion to kill the cat if necessary. You are NOT allowed to do that, and you do not have the right. If the cat owner finds out, you could face severe penalties. Whether you personally feel entitled to do so is another matter, but that does not make it legal. You are therefore forced to find another solution.
By the way, you must be very careful when choosing your methods. Live traps are not for general use. Even in animal welfare work here, there have been cases where a cat with an owner (a typical outdoor cat) was accidentally trapped. The cat was cared for, registered with Tasso, and taken to a shelter. However, the owner caused a big fuss trying to find her pet. This was apparently quite costly, and the association had to reimburse the owner for those expenses. We were not allowed to trap the cat. It did not matter that it was unintentional.
Even spreading pepper in your garden is borderline. If the cat suffers irritation, you may be liable for veterinary costs.
Regarding the droppings, courts rule very differently. In general, they seem to agree that you have to tolerate up to two cats on your property as visitors. Whether the droppings left behind constitute a reasonable limitation of your property rights is viewed very differently.
If a cat leaves droppings in flowerbeds and buries them carefully, most courts would probably laugh that off. In the case of andimann, it might be different since the cat deposits them so openly. But how this will be decided can only be seen if it becomes a court case.
Contrary to some claims, there is NO consistent case law you can rely on.
However, I strongly disagree with your final suggestion to kill the cat if necessary. You are NOT allowed to do that, and you do not have the right. If the cat owner finds out, you could face severe penalties. Whether you personally feel entitled to do so is another matter, but that does not make it legal. You are therefore forced to find another solution.
By the way, you must be very careful when choosing your methods. Live traps are not for general use. Even in animal welfare work here, there have been cases where a cat with an owner (a typical outdoor cat) was accidentally trapped. The cat was cared for, registered with Tasso, and taken to a shelter. However, the owner caused a big fuss trying to find her pet. This was apparently quite costly, and the association had to reimburse the owner for those expenses. We were not allowed to trap the cat. It did not matter that it was unintentional.
Even spreading pepper in your garden is borderline. If the cat suffers irritation, you may be liable for veterinary costs.
Regarding the droppings, courts rule very differently. In general, they seem to agree that you have to tolerate up to two cats on your property as visitors. Whether the droppings left behind constitute a reasonable limitation of your property rights is viewed very differently.
If a cat leaves droppings in flowerbeds and buries them carefully, most courts would probably laugh that off. In the case of andimann, it might be different since the cat deposits them so openly. But how this will be decided can only be seen if it becomes a court case.
Contrary to some claims, there is NO consistent case law you can rely on.
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