Hello everyone,
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
ypg schrieb:
If I say that the plot is not easy, I am understated.
Maybe this is an approach?
kbt09 schrieb:
I continued with the approach from the floor plan adjustments.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
You summarized it well.
And instead of confronting his wife with the designs and comments, Dad should do that himself.
Matthew03 schrieb:I have basically dropped out myself, for exactly the reasons mentioned.
Usually, people drop out when the original poster seems resistant to advice... so hats off for the persistence.
Matthew03 schrieb:By now, I can understand a building company producing a design with little to no effort put into it.
As a reader, I get the impression that the sheer flood of floor plan suggestions overwhelms the OP to the point that he couldn’t decide before and now has even more options.
Matthew03 schrieb:Yes, as long as the subwoofer plays a bigger role for relaxing after work than the washing machine.
The wife should probably log in here and share her views herself; some things that might eventually resonate with the OP get shot down by her side.
Matthew03 schrieb:
It’s a shame about the great floor plan tips and drawings, but I think the OP should take a break and get some distance. Then come back with clearer input...
And instead of confronting his wife with the designs and comments, Dad should do that himself.
kaho674 schrieb:
But the original poster wants an upper floor with standing headroom – we agree on that, right? We actually don’t agree with the original poster because he (or maybe he and his wife?) can’t decide for themselves. Sometimes he wants standing room in the attic and other times he wants no upper floor at all. I’m not even sure if he has noticed that at one point he briefly mentioned they might as well build a townhouse – which, in my opinion, the builder would probably be most happy about since that has become a popular model nowadays.
kaho674 schrieb:
Edit: A corner bungalow with a hip roof would probably work better. It’s certain that a hip roof on a corner bungalow is even more expensive.
Matthew03 schrieb:
Usually you all give up when the original poster seems resistant to advice... so hats off for your perseverance. I’m starting to wonder how much longer the builder will be patient. Overall, this situation strongly reminds me of Morbus StanSch (after the green forum, then again in 288 posts here: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/auf-welchen-dieser-Grundrisse-koennen-wir-weiter-aufbauen.29540/)
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
kaho674 schrieb:
I don’t understand your pity for the developer.No pity – but he is a businessman, and if a client is indecisive for too long, he quickly finds another client who is just as appealing. Then another plot of land comes into play, and most of the considerations made up to that point become irrelevant.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Chrisi190621 Aug 2019 21:26kbt09 schrieb:
You don’t actually need a knee wall with your floor plan.Basically, you don’t need one if the roof pitch is steeper. In my example, however, the roof pitch is only 25° (25°), so a knee wall makes sense in this case.
kaho674 schrieb:
Oh, that’s right!
A completely new approach:
Cross beam with flat roof extension.
- Technical room upstairs
- Layout divided between kids’ and parents’ areas
- Space under the stairs could be converted into an additional storage room
- Bay window in the living room is, of course, optional
(The staircase has no landing)
What’s still missing:
- The lighting concept for the hallways must be carefully planned – maybe bringing in some natural light from the roof with spotlights.
- Bike shed will need to be built separately – possibly a permission-free wooden shed?
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[ATTACH alt="v6.jpg"]37656[/ATTACH]Despite the width, the house should fit on the plot. I really like the shape, great room layout, living, dining, kitchen areas are excellent.
I also think having the garage at the front works very well.
Definitely at least in my top two floor plans!
Matthew03 schrieb:
This thread is fascinating.
After over 200 posts, it feels like no progress has been made, even though the usual active helpers keep suggesting idea after idea. Normally, you stop when the original poster seems resistant to advice... so hats off for your persistence.
As a lurker, I feel the sheer number of floor plan suggestions overwhelm the original poster to the point that he couldn’t decide before and now has even more options. Another big issue is that the wife should probably log in and express her opinion herself – some things that might eventually work for the OP get shot down by her.
But the biggest problem, of course, is the roof and attic question, on which everything depends, and here things seem to be stuck. It’s a pity given all the great floor plan tips and drawings, but I think the OP should take a break, get some distance, then come back with clearer ideas…So far, I’ve seen many floor plans in total—not only here but also from the architect, online, etc. But you all have undoubtedly made the best suggestions so far. I feel like I’m much further along than at the start of the thread. I realize I’m learning more and more every day. That actually scares me!
When I can explain the advantages of something to my wife and she doesn’t see major disadvantages, she usually agrees. If something is especially important to me, I push through, but I want her to feel comfortable with the decision, too.
What do I still need to clarify regarding the roof and attic? What could go on the upper floor, and what type of roof do we want?
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Chrisi190621 Aug 2019 21:3811ant schrieb:
No sympathy here – but he is a businessman, and if a customer hesitates too long, he quickly finds another one just as attractive. Then another plot of land comes into play, and most of the considerations made up to that point become irrelevant. Not all plots have been sold yet, and in this area, he won’t find buyers who want and are able to purchase them very quickly. Also, I currently call about once a week. So we are in contact. At least for now, I wouldn’t worry about it.
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