ᐅ Experience with Shelly Pro Series vs. Homematic IP Wired vs. Bus Wiring Systems

Created on: 24 May 2022 14:58
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Stravanzer
Hello everyone,

Currently, our shell construction is completed, and soon the electrician will start the rough installation.

We already had a few appointments beforehand where a “smart home” package was offered to me.
The electrician commissioned by the developer offered a complete KNX automation system for a “small additional cost” of about €15,000 (around $16,200).
This included the Gira X1 system with server, switches, wiring, documentation, etc.

The high price discouraged me, so I decided to go with the conventional option.
My plan was/is to automate the following:

a) Operate and automate roller shutters/blinds using Shelly flush-mounted actuators, possibly also controlled by a weather station
b) Control some sockets (especially in our child’s room) using Shelly devices with timed on/off switching
c) Manage lighting through Philips Hue

I am still not completely happy with my decision for conventional wiring.
It bothers me that I have different manufacturers involved, which makes central administration rather unlikely, at least as far as I know. (Is there a way to centralize control for my purposes? If yes, please let me know 🙂 )

Also, the automation would always run over Wi-Fi. I would much prefer a wired solution.
In this context, I looked into the Shelly Pro series.
This is basically the “wired” version, which should be enough for my modest requirements.
Has anyone here worked with these devices or, even better, installed them?
There are some YouTube videos, but mostly single examples, and not very conclusive.

I also really like the Homematic IP wired system. It would allow central control installed in the distribution board (DIN rail). However, here too, there are issues with the connection and required inspections.

The more I think about it, the more I consider having the electrician install bus wiring after all, while I set up the network and server infrastructure myself.
Wiring a patch panel and switch is not a problem for me.
However, I have some doubts about whether I have enough experience to connect the server myself.
Furthermore, there is the challenge of designing and programming the system and routines.
Basically, I am technically inclined and can read into certain things.
I wouldn’t shy away from it but am unsure whether I might be in over my head?!?
Besides, everything would have to be certified by a licensed electrician!

I told the electrician about my plan; he generally has no problem with it, but I would need to install the cables in the basement myself.
He said he wouldn’t connect any hardware he did not supply or install himself, for warranty and liability reasons.
My suspicion is that he makes less profit with this variant and that’s why he said this... and everything would still need approval anyway. Whether this will go smoothly... I have no idea.
For my part, I want everything properly certified, also because of insurance and similar concerns.

My question now:

Is a KNX-based bus solution “overkill” for what I want to do, or are WLAN Shelly devices sufficient to integrate performance data into the FritzBox?

An Ubiquiti PoE ceiling access point is planned/being installed on every floor. So, hopefully, Wi-Fi connection will be sufficient if I end up going with just the flush-mounted Shelly devices.

Maybe some of you have tips, suggestions, or ideas...
I would like to thank you in advance for a constructive discussion.

Best regards,
Tom
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PMW1993
17 Nov 2024 10:11
Hello everyone,

I am currently planning my new build and would prefer the Shelly PRO option. Are there any user experiences with this?

Regards
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Bayernbors
18 Nov 2024 08:54
I have no personal experience, but I wonder why one would use the Shelly Pro? Is it for cost reasons?
I originally had a similar idea but decided against it after further consideration.

Best regards
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PMW1993
18 Nov 2024 19:37
Bayernbors schrieb:

I have no personal experience, but I wonder why you would use the Shelly Pro? Is it for cost reasons?
I originally had a similar idea, but after further consideration, I decided against it.

Best regards

For cost reasons, and what other options do I have? I don’t want KNX.
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nordanney
18 Nov 2024 20:00
PMW1993 schrieb:

For cost reasons, and what other options do I have? I don’t want KNX.
Just regular Shellys? What are you aiming to achieve with the Pro version, or what exactly do you want to "automate"?
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PMW1993
18 Nov 2024 20:47
nordanney schrieb:

Just regular Shellys? What do you want to achieve with the Pro version, or what exactly do you want to "automate"?

Everything centralized in the distribution board with LAN instead of Wi-Fi, control of course via Wi-Fi.
Shutters, garage door, and outdoor lighting
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nordanney
18 Nov 2024 20:57
PMW1993 schrieb:

Everything centralized in the distribution board with LAN instead of Wi-Fi, control of course via Wi-Fi.
Roller shutters, garage door, and outdoor lighting
You can do that, but it’s absolutely unnecessary and a waste of money for just a few gimmicks. Regular (affordable) Shellys are sufficient.