ᐅ Installation of a Gas Heating System in New Construction 2023/2024

Exactly, I wouldn’t ban that either (I’d call it luxury). Just tax it disproportionately.

I don’t want to personally attack you now @Bausparfuchs, but you are not the center of the universe. The scientific consensus is what our government supports and implements. And that is exactly how it should be.

Should I actually comment on this nonsense? Sure, it’s like the completely side-effect-free COVID vaccination. After all, it was just a little jab.

Fortunately, I can still decide for myself whether I trust people like children’s author Habeck, Ms. Baerbock, and a kitchen helper more than my own common sense.

We could have had the same discussion here 45 years ago. Back then, it was about night storage heaters. Moving away from fossil fuels, environmental protection, oil and gas unaffordable due to inflation. Germany heated electrically. Newly built houses were constructed without central heating systems and without chimneys. Of course, only in West Germany. The GDR was better off then. Cheap gas from Russia and a lot of district heating were the preferred heating systems.

Anyway. Banned in 2009, allowed again in 2014, today it is once again a popular alternative to heat pumps, since as part of the energy transition we prefer to heat electrically again. People just like to change their stance with the wind.

But I am off track anyway. AfD voter, anti-vaxxer, climate denier, friend of Russia. The full package!

Bausparfuchs schrieb:

But I’m definitely a bit off track anyway. AfD supporter, vaccine skeptic, climate change denier, friend of Russia. The whole package!

It’s unfortunate that our society has to deal with such things, but we will manage that too.

Pacmansh schrieb:

It's unfortunate that our society has to deal with issues like this, but we can handle it.

Hey, honestly: I don’t think such statements are appropriate! You don’t have to agree with opinions, and as you can see, there needs to be discussion. But what you’re expressing is divisive. I disagree with opinions like that about 95% of the time and am happy to engage in even heated discussions. These are also parts of society, just like LastGen and others.

Bausparfuchs schrieb:

Anyway. Banned in 2009, allowed again in 2014, today once again a popular alternative to heat pumps.

LOL. Rarely have I read such nonsense. A popular alternative to heat pumps? Not used at all in new buildings anymore, and only a tiny niche product in existing buildings (of course there are still many old systems). Electricity costs alone are a deal-breaker for anyone with even a little common sense. Why? Electric heating is a 1:1 conversion. Heating electricity—if available—is still expensive. So why would anyone install a storage heater that uses twice the electricity compared to a poor heat pump with a COP of 2, which might produce around €2,000 heating costs per year?

Bausparfuchs schrieb:

Germany heats electrically. Newly built houses were constructed without central heating systems and without chimneys. Of course, only in West Germany. The GDR was better off. Cheap gas from Russia and a lot of district heating were the preferred heating systems.

Sorry, but here it becomes clear that you have no clue either.
- Apartments in the GDR were smaller than in the West
- Construction quality in the GDR was disastrous
- At the time of reunification, nearly 20% of all apartments in the GDR had no private bathroom or toilet
- Around reunification, approximately 50% of GDR apartments were heated with decentralized systems, mainly coal; in the West at that time, about 90% had central heating
- Around reunification in the GDR, about 30% of households considered their homes to be beyond repair

sysrun80 schrieb:

But what you’re saying is divisive.

With that, I wanted to express my frustration about having to deal with such people and bear the social costs involved. I also think grumpy retirees who harass children or dog owners who let their pets defecate right outside our front door are annoying. But I wrote that our functioning society manages to cope with this and that it is simply part of life. I don’t see this as being divisive.