ᐅ Installation of a Gas Heating System in New Construction 2023/2024

Snowy36 schrieb:

Yes, and I would really like to know what answer you get when a student writes: I don’t think white men (category interchangeable here) are not discriminated against.

The appropriate response would probably be: Please provide a more detailed explanation. References and sources are missing. Without a clear argument, the answer cannot be considered sufficient. Grade: 5 (-)

I’m not a fan of such quotas either, and I believe it’s an artificially created phenomenon. There are no two identical people, so there are no two candidates who are 100% equally suitable. There is probably always a deciding factor, even if it’s just a likeability point during the interview.

In principle, it would be better if everything were handled fairly and without discrimination. However, the current composition of executive levels suggests that this has not been discrimination-free so far. On the other hand, the development of women entering the workforce on equal terms is still relatively recent (in relative terms). Therefore, I consider these efforts partially necessary to speed up the process toward greater fairness. I’m not sure if the withdrawal of privileges that "white men" still partly enjoy today can really be viewed as discrimination. It’s a double-edged sword. If we want more fairness in the workplace, we need to embed it more broadly in society. Then it must also be normal for dads to stay at home with the children or for both parents to work part-time. This is still uncommon today but fortunately is becoming more widespread.

Snowy36 schrieb:

Exactly … who listed those categories as if they were set in stone in a dictionary? I would really like to know the response when a student writes: I don’t think white men (category interchangeable here) are not discriminated against. They’d definitely get an A then …

Well, that alone isn’t indoctrination. The student should support their statement with arguments. If they do that well, they can get an A depending on their grade level. If they write it like you did above (double negation, no reasoning), then they definitely won’t get an A, and I think that’s fair. And it still wouldn’t be indoctrination.
It would only be indoctrination if they supported their statement well with arguments and still received an F, with the explanation that it’s considered a fact otherwise.

kati1337 schrieb:

Well, give an example where white men are discriminated against?

It depends on the context.
Quite plainly, walking as a white person (gender doesn’t matter) in certain neighborhoods at certain times of day.
As a white man, you can’t make statements on certain topics within certain groups that will be taken seriously, simply because you are a white man (e.g., in a group mostly of women discussing the gender pay gap, in a group with a migrant background discussing discrimination against migrants, in a group of Muslims discussing radical Islam). It doesn’t matter if you are a professor specializing in the field. Marrying into a traditional Turkish, Asian, or other family strongly tied to their original ethnicity and migrant background can also regularly cause difficulties.
However, that is individual discrimination and, in my opinion, should be distinguished from systemic or structural discrimination. A white man typically has little trouble finding housing, employment, or help with directions because he is a white man. Those issues usually have other causes.

I (as a non-white man) do not agree with the idea that only members of a group can make valid statements about that group’s discrimination. Nor that discrimination can only exist from an absolute position of power. Of course, there are situations where a societal minority can hold relative power and then also discriminate.

Absolutely right that equality first needs to be firmly established. For example, the mindset of "the woman is in her mid-20s and will probably be absent for at least 2-3 years within the next 10 years... so I’d rather choose the man in his mid-20s, who will be absent at most a few months or not at all" must come to an end, because BOTH potentially take leave or reduce their working hours.

Only then can, sooner or later, outdated gender-based formulations in the application process be dropped.

So, should you still install a gas heating system in a new build or not? I am against it!

kati1337 schrieb:

Well, can you give an example where white men are discriminated against?

First of all, in my opinion, (white) men are indeed subject to discrimination. However, I doubt that this issue is significant enough to be intentionally taught or pushed as part of a political agenda. There are certainly other groups in society that deserve considerably more attention when it comes to discrimination.

But I do have a few examples.

- A man wants to become a midwife. Try that. Even if you overcome this hurdle, pregnant women will reject you at the latest.
- A male daycare worker accompanies children to the restroom. Mothers get upset and push for his removal from the group. Not because of any specific incidents, but simply because men are assumed to abuse children. I have experienced this!
- Not long ago, there was a report about a university that explicitly excluded (white) men in a job advertisement for an equal opportunity officer. Not diverse enough.
- Men were (let’s wait and see…) forced into conscription or alternative service, while women were not required to do anything. In times of war, men are forced to serve; women are not.