ᐅ Installation of a Gas Heating System in New Construction 2023/2024

Bookstar87 schrieb:

Most people are constantly sick because the injection weakens the immune system. The masks do the rest. I agree with you, the masks had many negative effects. But unfortunately, they provided no meaningful protection against infection.

One wonders how social discourse can even function if people don’t agree on the same factual basis for proven matters. Actually, it can’t.
Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

The question of how masks could be ineffective, despite all contrary evidence, has not been clarified by a single reputable study. All that is known is that they do work. How much benefit they brought in the field is not well quantifiable; I have explained why.

Those who claim the exact opposite are allowed to do so, but apart from rumors from a specific bubble, they have nothing to back up their statements. Why would anyone do that? I can ask you:

Why do you do that?

chand1986 schrieb:

One has to wonder how societal discourse can actually function if people don’t even agree on the same facts when it comes to verifiable matters. Basically, it can’t.
Repeating something over and over doesn’t make it true.

The question of how masks could have been ineffective, despite all opposing evidence, has not been resolved by a single reputable study. What is known is that masks do work. Exactly how much they contributed in real-world conditions is hard to quantify, and I had explained why.

Anyone claiming the exact opposite is entitled to their opinion but has nothing to rely on except whispers from a specific echo chamber. Why would anyone do that? Let me ask:

Why do you do that?

I believe we are very close in our viewpoints. For me, the issue is that mask mandates were not an effective measure. Voluntary use is great. Almost everyone got COVID even while wearing masks. Preventing infection indefinitely is simply not possible. You can only delay it. This may be useful for an individual in the short term or for the system to avoid overload.

However, I don’t think a mask mandate achieves the latter. There are clearly better measures for that (prevention and capacity building rather than reduction).

This is important to me because I also see here in the forum how deeply narratives have been ingrained and how little information reached the general public who did not research extensively but only watched the news.

Best news of the day, by the way: the Greens are down to only 14%, and the sun is shining! Have a nice day, everyone!

RotorMotor schrieb:

COVID causes illness, Long COVID causes prolonged illness. And that affects many people. How do you conclude that the vaccine is harmful to you (except for individual cases)?

And which study claims that masks are ineffective?
This meta-study cites only a few studies on COVID.
The first two linked studies mention a reduction.
Have you read (and understood) the studies?

And again, the most important question: what does this have to do with gas heating systems?

If you study carefully how the immune system is affected and how it is supposed to work, you understand that it is kept on alert this way… in some people more, in others less… and then when RSV arrives, the body has nothing left to oppose it.

@Bookstar87

You’re tripping over your own feet right from the start. You can’t have both:

Bookstar87 schrieb:

It can be postponed into the future. […] but I don’t achieve that with a mask mandate.

Either masks only shift infections in time. In that case, a mask mandate inevitably relieves the system because it spreads the number of infections over time more evenly.
Or the mask mandate actually does not relieve the system. Then it must mean that it also cannot delay individual infections in time, because otherwise there would inevitably be relief.

Again: you can’t have both at the same time. Simple logic. But what I find even more confusing coming from you is this:

Bookstar87 schrieb:

Voluntary is great, of course.

What exactly do you mean by that? I read it as if masks worn voluntarily work, but mandatory masks do not!?
That can’t really be what you mean, can it?

Bookstar87 schrieb:

[…] how little information reached people who did not inform themselves through intensive research, but only watch the news.

For those who did conduct their own research, though, there were many pitfalls. Have you ever considered that you might have gotten stuck on one of those?

The false nonsense spread online by people with doctorate titles (both real and fake) about the alleged (non)functionality of PCR tests, up to bleach as a medicine supposedly withheld by governments: A person researching on their own has to evaluate all that themselves, often without a solid methodological background in scientific procedure. There were publications in dubious journals that could only be distinguished from genuine scientific work by professionals familiar with the scientific community. All freely accessible for self-research. And - rightly so! - ignored by most mainstream media.

Bookstar87 schrieb:

I think we are very close in viewpoint.

I see it differently. My position is that the mask mandate was a very effective tool for slowing the timeline of infections. Yours is the opposite.

Oops… let me quickly check the thread title again 🤨 :p

chand1986 schrieb:

One wonders how societal discourse can really function when people don’t even agree on the established facts. Actually, it can’t.
Repeating falsehoods doesn’t make them true.

The discussion is pointless. There is a small group of people who base their opinions on sources that can be proven wrong, possibly to feel “elite” or to distance themselves from the mainstream. This is how conspiracy theories have always worked; there is even (interesting) research and documentaries on this.

We live in a world where practically all the accumulated knowledge of humanity is just a click away. Yet, during this time, groups arise claiming that the Earth is flat—and they truly believe it. If someone wants to believe nonsense just to be different, factual arguments unfortunately won’t change that.