Hello
We are currently considering how to finish the walls in our new build.
The interior and exterior walls are made of sand-lime bricks, and a few non-load-bearing walls are made of gypsum concrete.
We want to design the walls so that we can avoid settlement cracks for as long as possible. (These are unavoidable in new buildings.)
What options are available?
Applying a plaster finish on the walls
Paintable plaster, roller-applied plaster, or simply smoothing with a drywall finish to Q3/Q4 level and painting
Alternatively, wallpaper and painting
Non-woven wallpaper, non-woven "Raufaser" wallpaper, painter’s fleece
We want the walls to be either smooth or with a light to medium texture (we are still undecided)
It is important to us to avoid settlement cracks for as long as possible. Non-woven wallpapers are the better choice because they cover small cracks and will only tear if large cracks appear.
The application should be relatively easy to carry out by amateurs.
We plan to have the painter do the stairwell and ground floor.
We want to do the upper floor, attic, and basement ourselves because we don’t have enough budget to have the painter do everything.
What would you recommend?
What is the difference between painter’s fleece and non-woven Raufaser wallpaper?
Is the only difference that painter’s fleece is smooth and Raufaser has a texture?
Non-woven wallpapers are definitely preferable to normal paper wallpapers, right?
Thank you for your help
We are currently considering how to finish the walls in our new build.
The interior and exterior walls are made of sand-lime bricks, and a few non-load-bearing walls are made of gypsum concrete.
We want to design the walls so that we can avoid settlement cracks for as long as possible. (These are unavoidable in new buildings.)
What options are available?
Applying a plaster finish on the walls
Paintable plaster, roller-applied plaster, or simply smoothing with a drywall finish to Q3/Q4 level and painting
Alternatively, wallpaper and painting
Non-woven wallpaper, non-woven "Raufaser" wallpaper, painter’s fleece
We want the walls to be either smooth or with a light to medium texture (we are still undecided)
It is important to us to avoid settlement cracks for as long as possible. Non-woven wallpapers are the better choice because they cover small cracks and will only tear if large cracks appear.
The application should be relatively easy to carry out by amateurs.
We plan to have the painter do the stairwell and ground floor.
We want to do the upper floor, attic, and basement ourselves because we don’t have enough budget to have the painter do everything.
What would you recommend?
What is the difference between painter’s fleece and non-woven Raufaser wallpaper?
Is the only difference that painter’s fleece is smooth and Raufaser has a texture?
Non-woven wallpapers are definitely preferable to normal paper wallpapers, right?
Thank you for your help
K
k-man20218 Jan 2023 21:56Gooosee159 schrieb:
We want to do the walls ourselves on the upper floor and attic to save costs.
.... to be carried out by amateurs without prior knowledgeThink this through carefully... I wouldn’t take on large-scale painting work beyond just basic painting. When I think about the work done in our house, it’s real hard labor... and as an inexperienced amateur, you probably need three to ten times the usual amount of time – at least that was my experience 😉
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xMisterDx8 Jan 2023 22:05However, you first need to have the 15,000–20,000 EUR to have everything prepared by the painter up to Q3 level with fibrous plaster and then painted.
Also, always keep in mind:
Painter’s fleece is organic, so is the adhesive. Emulsion paint as well. And they make the wall more or less airtight.
Not ideal for the indoor climate.
Also, always keep in mind:
Painter’s fleece is organic, so is the adhesive. Emulsion paint as well. And they make the wall more or less airtight.
Not ideal for the indoor climate.
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Allthewayup8 Jan 2023 22:45Cronos86 schrieb:
... Because the house should actually settle evenly. Only differential settlement ultimately causes damage to the house.
So if settlement-related damage appears, something was overlooked or one of the trades did a poor job. That’s the crucial point. I don’t understand the effort to just treat the symptoms. With well-thought-out planning and sufficient structural engineering, nothing should crack in a new build except maybe a few acrylic sealant joints. I know from years of experience as an installer in this field that drywall is especially prone to cracking. If mesh tape was missed at panel joints or too much joint compound was applied, this happens often. But whole monolithic walls cracking lengthwise or from top to bottom would make me call in an expert rather than consider how to best “bridge” the cracks. Or maybe I misunderstood something? Perhaps the main concern here is just the appearance or feel of the interior walls?!
By the way:
For those who want to really dig into this topic, I recommend reading “The Lime Plaster Myth” or searching for it online.
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xMisterDx8 Jan 2023 23:14Who is speaking there? The installer? Or the civil engineer?
Gooosee159 schrieb:
Isn’t it possible to simply replace the damaged roll of painter’s fleece where it has cracks? Like removing the old one, filling the cracks, and then putting new fleece over it?I thought so too, and that was one reason for choosing it. But whether you can really replace just one precise roll in practice, I don’t know.However: The painter glued my fleece in place, so it can’t be removed. That’s why I can only sand it down, and then the whole wall will have to be redone.
In der Ruine9 Jan 2023 06:21xMisterDx schrieb:
Painter’s fleece is organic, as is the adhesive. Emulsion paint as well. And it makes the wall more or less airtight. Is bare brick really a climate membrane? 🙂
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