ᐅ Roof Covering and Choosing a Solar Installer – Making the Decision?

Created on: 10 Aug 2022 18:21
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Elias_dee
Hello everyone,

I am about to decide whether to hire a solar installer. I am building a turnkey single-family house with a general contractor in the 84xxx area, featuring a gable roof with a 25° pitch, oriented north/south. There are no skylights, chimney, or other obstructions on the roof, so conditions are optimal.

I am having some difficulty even requesting quotes and now have at least two offers. I would appreciate help evaluating and choosing between them (both the company and whether to include the north side). I have not asked for a battery system but might consider adding one later if it becomes more affordable.

So, first I am facing the question: include north side or not? I can fit about 25 modules on each side, resulting in roughly 10 kWp. PVGIS estimates around 10,000 kWh for south and about 7,000 kWh for north.

Offer 1 comes from a solar installer with many years of experience, who not only works on single-family houses but also builds large-scale systems in the megawatt range. My general contractor, who is building the house turnkey, also has long-standing experience with this installer and recommends them.

Offer 1 details:
- 20.5 kWp
- 50 x Q-Cells Q-Peak ML G10 410 heat pump compatible modules
- 50 x SolarEdge Power Optimizers, S440 Worldwide (v1)
- SolarEdge StorEdge three-phase inverters: SE10K-RWS-EU-APAC/AUS (v1) and SE7K-RWS-EU-APAC (v1)
- SolarEdge Smart Meter for self-consumption monitoring
- All other materials, installation, and commissioning services included
- Cost: €31,980 net, which equals approximately €1,560 net per kWp — reasonable for today, not really cheap but not very expensive either

Now to Offer 2. This offer is from a very small and new electrical company I found through a neighbor's recommendation. The company does not even have a finished website yet because it is so new, but they have already done electrical work in the development area (not sure about PV though). Two different neighbors have told me this company is good.

Offer 2 details:
- 20.9 kWp
- 51 x JinkoSolar Tiger NE HC N-Type black solar modules JKM410N-54HL4-B
- 2 x SMA inverters STP10.0-3SE-40
- 1 x SMA Sunny Home Manager HM-20
- Other materials are not specified here, but all installation, planning, and commissioning services are included
- Cost: €25,570 net, equaling approximately €1,223 net per kWp

My questions now:
- What do you generally think about the materials used?
- Are the SolarEdge power optimizers in Offer 1 really necessary? I expect practically no shading from trees, chimney, or anything else given the location
- Company 2 is probably a bit risky, but the price is really attractive. Is it worth taking the risk here?
- Does installing modules on the north side make sense at all in the case of Offer 1? If I calculate north and south separately, south obviously makes sense in both cases. North seems worthwhile (based on my calculation) only with Offer 2... with Offer 1 I would be running at a loss.

I would be very grateful for a brief assessment!

Best regards
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Elias_dee
12 Aug 2022 15:52
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:

at least not at the same time as the south-facing modules...

My brother recently installed an almost 10 kWp north/south system on the carport
(for about 800€ net per kWp doing it himself).
I regularly get the results from this without asking 🤨

You probably have to accept compromises with the inverter because the market is empty.
Be glad if something is available and happy to generate your own electricity. You probably won’t get the perfect system these days.

Understood, thanks! :-)

What I’m not totally clear on is the relationship between kVA and kWp... The inverter supplies a maximum of 10 kVA at its output. Does this mean that only a maximum of 10 kWp can be fed in or supplied to the house at the same time?
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RotorMotor
12 Aug 2022 16:33
Elias_dee schrieb:

To clarify my question again: is it actually the case that more than 15 kWp ever reaches the inverter? When the south side is producing at full capacity (around 10 kWp), the 7 kWp on the north side most likely won’t reach anywhere near 5 kWp, right, or am I mistaken?

I don’t think that’s impossible. Otherwise, I wouldn’t even bother covering the north side. ;-)

My 12 kWp south-facing system, for example, sometimes already delivers 13 kW.

Elias_dee schrieb:

What I’m not quite clear on is the relationship between kVA and kWp… the inverter provides a maximum of 10 kVA at its output. Does that mean that only up to 10 kWp can be fed in or supplied to the house at the same time?

Correct, it can produce a maximum of 10 kW on the AC side. That means you really lose a lot in summer.
Right now, everyone is celebrating the removal of the 70% rule, but your solar installer wants to install 58%...

Maybe he could push some into a battery storage system, but that won’t be enough.
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Elias_dee
12 Aug 2022 19:01
Oh dear. Then this is really either the solar technician’s lack of knowledge or deliberate "rip-off"...
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Snowy36
12 Aug 2022 23:19
driver55 schrieb:

Yeah, right. Waste 8,000–10,000 kWh (pointless) and then get scared (no surprise). Keyword: “power outage.” 🙄

Why pointless? My house consumes about 4,000 kWh for a two-person home office plus another 4,000 kWh for the air-to-water heat pump. Since I thought the first number was quite high for two people, I discussed it extensively in this forum, and others came up with similar figures. We have a ventilation system, robot lawnmower, two electric garage doors, an infrared sauna, and so on — it all adds up. Also, the new 65-inch TV is A++ rated but honestly still uses quite a bit of power. So, what exactly do you mean by pointless?

And our electric car isn’t even included in this yet...
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Elias_dee
13 Aug 2022 11:36
Hello again everyone,

Since I don’t feel comfortable anymore with the first solar installer and their unusual 10 kW inverter, I’m now leaning more towards the second installer. I just spoke with them on the phone; although they don’t have any references on their website yet, they have already installed several systems (they only received their master certification last year) and I also know two others from the neighborhood who recommend them.

And they are really very affordable. Here are the technical details again:

- 20.9 kWp
- 51 x JinkoSolar solar modules Tiger NE HC N-Type sw JKM410N-54HL4-B
- 2 x SMA inverters STP10.0-3SE-40
- 1 x SMA Sunny Home Manager HM-20
- I’ll leave out the other materials for now, but all installation, planning, and commissioning services are included as well
- Cost: 25,570 € net, so approximately 1,223 €

I just want to be sure that everything is okay or if there might be any hidden “problems” that I’m missing with my limited knowledge ^^ I think the two inverters and the modules fit well. Is there anything else I should pay attention to?

Thanks in advance!
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driver55
13 Aug 2022 13:11
Snowy36 schrieb:

Why pointless? My house consumes about 4000 kWh for a household of two people working from home, plus another 4000 kWh for the air-to-water heat pump... Since I found the first value very high for two people, I discussed it extensively in this forum and others came to similar figures... We have a ventilation system, robotic lawn mower, two electric garage doors, an infrared cabin, and so on – it all adds up... Also, the new 65-inch TV is rated A++, but honestly, it still uses quite a bit of power... So why exactly is it pointless?

And our electric car isn’t even included in that...
4000 kWh for two people is definitely (too) high. And no, 100 kWh for the 65-inch TV, 5 kWh for the garage doors, or 25–50 kWh for the robotic mower don’t drive the consumption. The ventilation system’s usage depends on the model, operating hours, and settings – it can be 100 or even 500 kWh. The infrared cabin consumption naturally depends on how often it’s used.