ᐅ Roof Covering and Choosing a Solar Installer – Making the Decision?

Created on: 10 Aug 2022 18:21
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Elias_dee
Hello everyone,

I am about to decide whether to hire a solar installer. I am building a turnkey single-family house with a general contractor in the 84xxx area, featuring a gable roof with a 25° pitch, oriented north/south. There are no skylights, chimney, or other obstructions on the roof, so conditions are optimal.

I am having some difficulty even requesting quotes and now have at least two offers. I would appreciate help evaluating and choosing between them (both the company and whether to include the north side). I have not asked for a battery system but might consider adding one later if it becomes more affordable.

So, first I am facing the question: include north side or not? I can fit about 25 modules on each side, resulting in roughly 10 kWp. PVGIS estimates around 10,000 kWh for south and about 7,000 kWh for north.

Offer 1 comes from a solar installer with many years of experience, who not only works on single-family houses but also builds large-scale systems in the megawatt range. My general contractor, who is building the house turnkey, also has long-standing experience with this installer and recommends them.

Offer 1 details:
- 20.5 kWp
- 50 x Q-Cells Q-Peak ML G10 410 heat pump compatible modules
- 50 x SolarEdge Power Optimizers, S440 Worldwide (v1)
- SolarEdge StorEdge three-phase inverters: SE10K-RWS-EU-APAC/AUS (v1) and SE7K-RWS-EU-APAC (v1)
- SolarEdge Smart Meter for self-consumption monitoring
- All other materials, installation, and commissioning services included
- Cost: €31,980 net, which equals approximately €1,560 net per kWp — reasonable for today, not really cheap but not very expensive either

Now to Offer 2. This offer is from a very small and new electrical company I found through a neighbor's recommendation. The company does not even have a finished website yet because it is so new, but they have already done electrical work in the development area (not sure about PV though). Two different neighbors have told me this company is good.

Offer 2 details:
- 20.9 kWp
- 51 x JinkoSolar Tiger NE HC N-Type black solar modules JKM410N-54HL4-B
- 2 x SMA inverters STP10.0-3SE-40
- 1 x SMA Sunny Home Manager HM-20
- Other materials are not specified here, but all installation, planning, and commissioning services are included
- Cost: €25,570 net, equaling approximately €1,223 net per kWp

My questions now:
- What do you generally think about the materials used?
- Are the SolarEdge power optimizers in Offer 1 really necessary? I expect practically no shading from trees, chimney, or anything else given the location
- Company 2 is probably a bit risky, but the price is really attractive. Is it worth taking the risk here?
- Does installing modules on the north side make sense at all in the case of Offer 1? If I calculate north and south separately, south obviously makes sense in both cases. North seems worthwhile (based on my calculation) only with Offer 2... with Offer 1 I would be running at a loss.

I would be very grateful for a brief assessment!

Best regards
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Elias_dee
12 Aug 2022 13:46
He used Fronius software and sent me the report...


Hybrid inverter GEN24 Plus 10.0 kW, 1 piece, backup function, technical data and icon bars



Two PV arrays with a total output of 17.22 kWp and 42 modules (Array 1 & 2).
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RotorMotor
12 Aug 2022 14:25
Am I correct in understanding that it is facing north instead of south to avoid overloading the inverter?
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Elias_dee
12 Aug 2022 14:47
RotorMotor schrieb:

Am I right in understanding that it fills the north side instead of the south to avoid overloading the inverter?
Oh wow, to be honest, I hadn’t noticed that yet. But I think you’re right. I’m going to call him later today anyway, so I’ll ask.

An ordinary inverter with 20 kWp would be more optimal, right? It should probably end up costing roughly the same?
i_b_n_a_n12 Aug 2022 15:00
So, can more than the offered modules fit on the south side?
Then install as many as possible, and if funds are limited, add the battery storage later (or not at all).
However, in that case, the inverter probably won’t be suitable anymore...

I’ll mention it again in case it was forgotten: I’m an amateur, like most here, so no guarantees for anything. 😉
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Elias_dee
12 Aug 2022 15:09
i_b_n_a_n schrieb:

So, does even more fit on the south side than the offered modules?
Then just install everything possible, and if money is tight, add the storage later (or not at all).
But then the inverter probably won’t be suitable anymore...

I’ll say it again in case it was forgotten: I’m a layperson, like most of you here, so no guarantees for anything 😉

I just spoke with the solar installer. The report was a mistake – it is definitely the case that the south side is fully equipped (9.84 kWp) and the north side almost fully (7.38 kWp). Not the other way around…

Unfortunately, he can’t supply a “standard” inverter right now…

For clarity, one more question: Is it ever the case that more than 15 kWp actually reach the inverter? If the south side is producing at full capacity (about 10 kWp), the 7 kWp on the north side will most likely not reach 5 kWp, right? Or am I misunderstanding this?
i_b_n_a_n12 Aug 2022 15:24
Elias_dee schrieb:

... just to clarify the question once more: is it actually the case that more than 15 kWp ever reach the inverter? If the south-facing side is producing at full capacity (around 10 kWp), then the 7 kWp on the north side most likely won’t reach 5 kWp, right, or am I wrong?
At least not at the same time as the south-facing modules...

My brother recently installed an almost 10 kWp north/south system on the carport
(for about €800 net per kWp as DIY).
I regularly get the results from this without even asking 🤨

With the inverter, you probably have to accept compromises since the market is empty.
Be happy when something is available and enjoy generating your own electricity. The perfect system
is probably not achievable at the moment.