ᐅ New Build: About 280 m² Plus Basement – Your Suggestions
Created on: 15 Jan 2021 13:06
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Pfalzpaulianer
Hello everyone,
Thank you again for your suggestions and feedback on our initial draft. The architect has put in a lot of effort, and we are now almost ready to submit the building permit / planning permission application. Here is the nearly final version. We appreciate your opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.
Attached is the questionnaire
Development plan / restrictions: Paragraph 34, according to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old structure - demolition in progress)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio (FAR): n.a.
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Building setback, building line, and plot boundaries: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: 2
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern house with classic Palatinate elements (wooden tile roof, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height / limits: according to neighboring buildings
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (to the north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof shape, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new building with classic Palatinate style elements, but without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, floors (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, age: 5 (41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and TV room on the ground floor (can also serve as a bedroom for possible care needs of relatives)
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, man’s home office, guest room / office
2nd floor: children’s area with 3 bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round-tiled stove
Music / stereo wall: no, TV room on 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above double garage with vineyard view
Garage, carport: double garage
House design
Planned by: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with a wonderful view of the vineyards also from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with spacious living and dining area, seating area in the gallery on 1st and 2nd floors
What do you not like? Why? Window sizes on the 1st floor still need final planning, probably slightly larger. We do not really like the round windows (extension and north side). Do you have alternative ideas that would suit the house?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: initial estimate about 900,000 including additional costs (excluding garden)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: 900,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump with cooling function
[If you had to compromise, on which details / fittings? Full basement (this is a cost issue because the current house has a basement and must be demolished; a partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement might also be an option.)
- Could you go without: large master bedroom, children’s bathroom in the attic can be smaller
- Could not go without: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why has the design turned out as it is? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look standard from the outside. More expensive, but planned for that. For example, shutters and sandstone elements.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
Great: separate areas, spacious living and dining room
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to reduce morning congestion for the three schoolchildren?
Ideas for exterior views?
Enjoy looking through this, and thank you very much for your help.
Thank you again for your suggestions and feedback on our initial draft. The architect has put in a lot of effort, and we are now almost ready to submit the building permit / planning permission application. Here is the nearly final version. We appreciate your opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.
Attached is the questionnaire
Development plan / restrictions: Paragraph 34, according to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old structure - demolition in progress)
Slope: no
Floor area ratio (FAR): n.a.
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Building setback, building line, and plot boundaries: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge development
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of storeys: 2
Roof style: gable roof
Architectural style: modern house with classic Palatinate elements (wooden tile roof, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height / limits: according to neighboring buildings
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (to the north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof shape, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new building with classic Palatinate style elements, but without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, floors (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, age: 5 (41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and TV room on the ground floor (can also serve as a bedroom for possible care needs of relatives)
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, man’s home office, guest room / office
2nd floor: children’s area with 3 bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Number of overnight guests per year: 10
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern design: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round-tiled stove
Music / stereo wall: no, TV room on 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above double garage with vineyard view
Garage, carport: double garage
House design
Planned by: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with a wonderful view of the vineyards also from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with spacious living and dining area, seating area in the gallery on 1st and 2nd floors
What do you not like? Why? Window sizes on the 1st floor still need final planning, probably slightly larger. We do not really like the round windows (extension and north side). Do you have alternative ideas that would suit the house?
Estimated price according to architect/planner: initial estimate about 900,000 including additional costs (excluding garden)
Personal price limit for house including fittings: 900,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump with cooling function
[If you had to compromise, on which details / fittings? Full basement (this is a cost issue because the current house has a basement and must be demolished; a partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement might also be an option.)
- Could you go without: large master bedroom, children’s bathroom in the attic can be smaller
- Could not go without: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why has the design turned out as it is? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look standard from the outside. More expensive, but planned for that. For example, shutters and sandstone elements.
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
Great: separate areas, spacious living and dining room
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to reduce morning congestion for the three schoolchildren?
Ideas for exterior views?
Enjoy looking through this, and thank you very much for your help.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
how do you become something like this here?)..if you consistently share your knowledge and thoughts. You’re on the right track.pagoni2020 schrieb:
Same here!
I would also find it nicer if every window had shutters.I’m not sure if shutters are necessary when you’re already planning for window surrounds. I’m a bit overwhelmed by all the design elements: gable dormers, dormers, window shutters, window muntins, rounded shapes above the windows, window surrounds. If it’s not one thing, then it’s another. Plus the two-story height is a factor. It might work well for a house in a small town center in the Palatinate region, fitting in directly, but as a detached single-family house… I’m not from the Palatinate area myself. I have to agree quite a bit with @pagoni2020 when he criticizes the Swedish wood stove – surely the Palatinate has its own style.
In my view, a roof terrace here is not only unnecessary but also a complete break with the style.
AnRi311 schrieb:
The same people usually write the same things and have their fixed opinions.Very good post from you, @AnRi311! I would like to add something here – because it has really stood out to me lately – that a forum works completely differently in this regard compared to, for example, Instagram [advertisement unpaid due to brand mention]. There, you can share the biggest nonsense, and usually more than one person will respond with a "Wow" [heart emoji] comment. That, however, is pretty much worthless.K1300S schrieb:
Very good post from you, @AnRi311! I would like to add—because I’ve noticed it a lot lately—that a forum operates completely differently compared to, for example, Instagram [unpaid advertisement due to brand mention]. There, you can show any nonsense, no matter how big, and usually not just one but several people will respond with a "Wow" [heart emoji] comment. That actually means nothing at all.That’s true, or rather the priorities are completely different. Appearance and supposed must-haves.
Well, I lived in the Vorderpfalz region for 40 years, so the house fits well in our wine-growing area. But building methods there are different, and they no longer stomp the grapes like they used to when the winemakers would block the streets with their harvest, waiting their turn to deliver grapes to the cooperative winery.
However, these houses, as they are, are still proper houses with separate rooms and such—not just one big open space on the ground floor (the glass box) where the family is forced to stay together all the time. Those all-in-one room houses are horrible, unbearably hot in summer, and they all look the same. And who takes care of the rooms and glass fronts? My daughter has staff—one person is responsible for all the glass (including the shower), another for the floors, and a third one does ironing and some cooking.
However, these houses, as they are, are still proper houses with separate rooms and such—not just one big open space on the ground floor (the glass box) where the family is forced to stay together all the time. Those all-in-one room houses are horrible, unbearably hot in summer, and they all look the same. And who takes care of the rooms and glass fronts? My daughter has staff—one person is responsible for all the glass (including the shower), another for the floors, and a third one does ironing and some cooking.
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Pfalzpaulianer16 Jan 2021 07:33haydee schrieb:
Without looking at the floor plan.
The layout sounds great.
View of a multi-family house from 1990. Somehow I had a different house in mind. Clean lines, rectangle, two-story gable roof. From the outside it really looks more like an old farmhouse and inside modern.
Anyway, I’m going to look at the floor plan now. Unfortunately, there’s some truth to 11ant’s words. Thank you for your feedback. I smiled reading “outside more like an old farmhouse and inside modern,” because that is actually exactly what we want. 🙂 The house should blend well into the surroundings (old vineyards and vintner houses), but also have that certain something.
However, I agree with you about the clean lines. At the moment it really looks like a bit of everything. What would you focus on? Remove the segmental arches? Add shutters everywhere and larger three-quarter windows? Also regarding window sizes, it still feels too dark to us because the windows are much too small, what do you think?
Oh, and the garage is currently just a placeholder in the drawing and according to the architect will still be “upgraded.” Whatever that will be?
A roof terrace is a must though, to overlook the vineyards.
Attached is a typical house from the area.
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Pfalzpaulianer16 Jan 2021 07:41haydee schrieb:
Ground floor
Bathroom not suitable for relatives in need of care. Home office with a single bed might work.
Kitchen island too small. I find the L-shape unergonomic. What is planned for the small pantry?
Utility room or cloakroom?
Don’t you need a cabinet in the open-plan area for games, CDs, glasses, books? Sofas look rather small. Please try to add all the furniture in the plan.
On the upper floor, I would balance the size of the children’s rooms.
Budget might get tight. That’s a very good point about the bathroom! Thank you!
We will plan for a larger kitchen island and probably rotate it, also make the pantry bigger and include a kitchen front.
Calling it a utility room is not correct, as it is actually a cloakroom. Well noticed. We have the cellar as a storage room.
In the open-plan area, we only have and need a display cabinet for dishes. We no longer have CDs 🙂 and books and games have their place in the TV room on the ground floor.
Thank you very much for your comments. Very helpful.
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