Hello everyone,
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
this is my third post in this forum. First of all, thank you for the valuable tips I have already received. I think I have learned a lot so far.
I have linked the previous posts below. To avoid any misunderstandings, I will list all the necessary information again. Therefore, reading the old posts only makes limited sense. For completeness, I have included them here.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissplanung-Bungalow-170qm.31445/
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grobe-Grundstücksplanung-819m.31558/
For the initial selection, there were three rough floor plan drafts. One was from Yvonne, the second from kbt09, and the third from the planner/ourselves. Many thanks to both of you for the good ideas! After some time for consideration and consultation with the developer, we decided to pursue the third floor plan.
ypg schrieb:
If I say that the plot is not easy, I am understated.
Maybe this is an approach?
kbt09 schrieb:
I continued with the approach from the floor plan adjustments.
Now to the main topic.
At the end of April 2019, we reserved a plot (plot no. 10) and started working on the floor plan. The plot is tied to the developer, and unfortunately, the planner has not turned out to be very creative (myself included). Two weeks ago, we had another meeting with the developer and talked about the three options mentioned above. We then chose one variant and want to proceed with it. We have now received a draft, which certainly still needs improvement.
For this reason, I would like to present the floor plan here again for discussion and hope for feedback, ideas, suggestions, and tips. Maybe you will immediately see things that “just don’t work” or are not practical for everyday life. I have also already noticed a few things that I would change, but since we will probably make quite a few modifications anyway, I have not yet suggested my own improvements in the floor plan. Also, the planner and I have not yet discussed doors and windows.
Attached again is the completed questionnaire.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8809 sq ft)
Slope: NO
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100)
Gross floor area ratio (GFAR): 0.6
Building envelope, building line and boundary: On the northeast side approximately 31m (102 ft) deep, west side approximately 35m (115 ft) deep, plot frontage on the street 18.7m (61 ft) and rear boundary (development limit) approximately 27m (89 ft). The major challenge with the plot is the narrow width at the front. Depending on house orientation, after the 3m (10 ft) building setback on the street side, we have about 19.5m (64 ft) to 20.4m (67 ft) available. This means that if the house is parallel to the street, it is 19.5m (64 ft), and parallel to the neighbor in the northeast direction about 20.1m (66 ft).
Side building setback: 3m (10 ft)
Number of parking spaces required: no specification
Number of floors: maximum 2 full floors
Roof type: gable roof, hip roof
Other requirements: Garage must be at least 5m (16 ft) from the property boundary.
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: bungalow with hip roof
Basement, floors: no basement due to high groundwater level
Number of people, age: 4 people aged 36 years (female), 37 years (male), 2 years (child), 7 months (child)
Room requirements on ground floor and upper floor:
Ground floor: living/dining/kitchen, utility room, guest toilet with shower, hallway with coat area and stairs to the upper floor, children’s rooms, master bedroom, bathroom, and storage room.
Upper floor: office, children’s playroom and additional storage space.
Office: family use or home office? home office
Overnight guests per year: 1–2 times
Open or closed floor plan: a mix of both
Conservative or modern design: a mix of both
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with island would be nice but not a must, closed kitchen also has advantages
Number of dining seats: 4, with the option for 6–8 would be nice but not essential
Fireplace: no
Music/sound wall: sound system in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: Space for 2 cars is required. Currently, I am considering a garage (3x6m / 10x20 ft) and carport (3.6m / 12 ft).
Kitchen garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special requirements/daily routine, including reasons for preferences or restrictions
House design
Who designed the plan:
-Developer’s planner / do-it-yourself
What do you particularly like? Why?
-There should be enough space in the coat area and behind the stairs to store jackets, shoes, etc.
-The children’s rooms have a comfortable size and are practically equal in size.
-Living room/kitchen are close to entrance and garage.
-The storage room has a good (central) location.
-
What do you not like? Why?
-Garage/carport is very far to the back (but I can probably live with this)
-The utility room is comparatively large and long
-The kitchen in my opinion is somewhat too large
-The living room is only the desired minimum size and could use 5m² (54 sq ft) more
-The main bathroom is located between both children’s rooms and the noise from showering and toilet use is likely to be a major issue
-The main bathroom could be slightly larger
-Between the garage and the property boundary there will be a dead space where weeds will probably grow later. Does anyone have ideas on how to prevent this?
-The garage is currently planned with a length of 9m (30 ft), of which 6m (20 ft) is for the garage and 3m (10 ft) for a storage room. The current position directly behind the garage is not optimal in my view
Price estimate according to architect/planner: no new price estimate received yet
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 400,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
Why is the design the way it is now? e.g.
ideas from planner and do-it-yourself ideas from me
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
The main bathroom is located between the children’s rooms. How can we reduce noise disturbance to a minimum?
Imagine I drive a Skoda Superb into the garage. Since the garage is on the property boundary and the driveway narrows between the house and property line, I have to enter at a slight angle. Does this cause problems in everyday life? See pictures.
Assuming we build a double garage directly attached to the bungalow instead of a garage and carport, is there anything special to consider during construction?
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
You’re right, I’ll let the planner do their work now, and then we’ll see how to proceed. I wonder why you always end up with huge hallways? By cleverly placing a secondary staircase, you can easily add an estimated 10-14 square meters (110-150 square feet) of hallway space to the living area.
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Chrisi190613 Jan 2020 20:49Interesting floor plan. I will redraw it and make the changes that I think are necessary. Many thanks!
Evolith schrieb:
Otherwise, take a good look at our floor plan. It might suit you very well. If you basically close off the kitchen, you get an office, and you can adjust the free-standing central wall a bit so that the kitchen fits well there.
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Chrisi190613 Jan 2020 21:40Evolith schrieb:
Otherwise, take a close look at our floor plan. It might suit you very well. If you basically close off the kitchen, you then have an office, and you can slightly move the free-standing central wall so the kitchen fits nicely there.Who designed the floor plan?
Where you have the retractable staircase, will you install a proper staircase there later or will it stay as it is?
I quickly made some changes to the floor plan based on our wishes:
- Larger kids’ bedrooms
- Guest toilet with shower
- Slightly bigger master bathroom
- Office under the roof
You could provide a few wall dimensions... and then indicate the layout of the rooms, for example, the 62 m² (667 sq ft) living room with the kitchen positioned as far as possible from the terrace.
The bedroom seems a bit shallow in depth, as does the hallway width... and is there enough space for a wardrobe?
Also, won’t the living/dining area be quite dark? The west-facing sunlight definitely won’t reach there anymore, right?
Have you placed the bungalow into the site plan? There probably isn’t much clearance left on the street side, neither to the right nor the left. See, for example, “my” angled bungalow in post 139, which was planned almost the other way around.
I also liked the rectangular bungalow from post 92, as well as several plans by Katja.
While skimming through, I also noticed your concerns about the subwoofers and noise again.
The bedroom seems a bit shallow in depth, as does the hallway width... and is there enough space for a wardrobe?
Also, won’t the living/dining area be quite dark? The west-facing sunlight definitely won’t reach there anymore, right?
Have you placed the bungalow into the site plan? There probably isn’t much clearance left on the street side, neither to the right nor the left. See, for example, “my” angled bungalow in post 139, which was planned almost the other way around.
I also liked the rectangular bungalow from post 92, as well as several plans by Katja.
While skimming through, I also noticed your concerns about the subwoofers and noise again.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
I quickly adjusted the floor plan a bit, incorporating the wishes we have.
... I'm currently wondering whether I'd rather be a child in your family or the washing machine. Because as a washing machine, I’d have a smaller room, but also a sunnier southeast-facing location.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Who designed the floor plan?
Where you have the retractable ladder, will you replace it with a proper staircase later, or will it stay as it is?
I made some quick changes to the floor plan based on what we would like:
- larger children's rooms
- guest toilet with shower
- slightly bigger main bathroom
- office under the roof The hatch is located near the children's room doors. Later, when the kids have moved out (which will easily take another 18 years since the youngest is just 1 year old), one of the children's rooms will be opened up and the staircase installed there. The appealing thing about the bungalow is that the interior walls are non-load-bearing and can be rearranged freely.
Regarding your suggested changes:
The size of the children's rooms is really sufficient, surprisingly so. You just have to be a bit creative with the furniture during their childhood. Thanks to Pinterest and similar platforms, that's actually quite easy. With my son, I rearrange the furniture from time to time depending on what and how he prefers to play. Once they reach their teenage years, they basically need only a bed, wardrobe, and desk, as they tend not to move around that much anymore.
You can forget about putting a shower in the guest toilet. It just won’t fit. So far, we haven’t needed it either. Even with guests, we’ve never felt cramped.
You can leave the main bathroom size as it is. It’s perfectly adequate! I can send you a photo of it if you like.
Regarding the office under the roof, I would reconsider. See if you can place it downstairs instead. That way, you avoid the staircase for now and save a lot of space that the stairs would otherwise take up.
If you close off our kitchen "niche," you’ve got your office. Then remove the partition wall in the living room, and you can decide whether to have the kitchen on the office wall side or where our living room currently is. Some people like to have a garden view while cooking. There is definitely enough space in our floor plan for that. At the moment, our "office" is on the back side of the wall that separates it from the kitchen.
You can hardly make the bedroom any smaller; otherwise, there won’t be room for the bed with enough clearance to walk around it. Unless you’re creative enough to build your bed custom-made directly at the back.
By the way, you won’t be able to fit the staircase where you suggested. There’s just not enough space unless you build a bungalow that is 20 meters (65.6 feet) wide.
Edit: Oh, by the way, the floor plan was made by a construction company that was one of our top candidates. We modified it a bit for ourselves.
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