ᐅ Spacious single-family house planned, totaling over 200 square meters
Created on: 14 Dec 2019 12:12
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Marie28
Hello everyone,
I have been quietly following for a while, but now I have a question for the many experienced forum users here.
Zoning Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1030 m² (12,400 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index (building coverage ratio): 0.35
Floor area ratio: NA
Building window, building line, and boundary: NA
Edge development: NA
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: any
Architectural style: NA
Orientation: NA
Maximum heights/limits: NA
Other regulations
Requirements from the Homeowners
Architectural style, roof shape, building type: Classic, either gable roof or hip roof
Basement, floors: basement included, either 2 floors or alternatively 1 floor with a very high knee wall (over 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in))?
Number and age of occupants: currently 2 around age 30, with 2 children planned
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor: "should not be too small"
Office: family use / home office
Overnight guests per year: 4–6
Open or closed architecture: rather closed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen is possible
Number of dining seats: 4–6
Fireplace: yes
Music/sound system wall: not planned
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace on the ground floor planned
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who designed the plan: do-it-yourself (based on a cousin’s house)
What do you particularly like? Why? spacious rooms and simply a very appealing layout in the cousin’s house
What do you not like? Why? possibly little light in the hallway on the ground floor?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: unknown
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 450,000
Preferred heating system: gas or air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, on which details/extensions?
- can you give up: so far none, otherwise we would have left them out already
- cannot give up: the rooms we designed
Why is the design the way it is now?
Standard design from the planner? Based on the south-facing orientation (living and dining/kitchen) of the cousin’s house
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? So far none
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
Is the minimal shift of the load-bearing wall possible? And have we oversized or undersized some rooms / hallway lighting issue?
Thank you very much for your suggestions. Please be straightforward and honest. We will consider and evaluate every comment.
We have not yet drawn a basement floor plan because we have no clear ideas on the layout of the desired rooms, and basically, it doesn’t matter to us. We will arrange it as simply as possible for technical and plumbing reasons. Proposed rooms: heating room, laundry room, guest room, pantry, small storage room with workbench. What else? Naturally, all rooms will have windows. Basement entry is planned on the north side from outside.
Additional note: the windows shown on the ground and upper floors are not final. I also think most of the windows might be too small to provide enough daylight in the rooms.
The plot is completely facing north (and so are the sketches).
Thank you,
Marie
I have been quietly following for a while, but now I have a question for the many experienced forum users here.
Zoning Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1030 m² (12,400 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site occupancy index (building coverage ratio): 0.35
Floor area ratio: NA
Building window, building line, and boundary: NA
Edge development: NA
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof style: any
Architectural style: NA
Orientation: NA
Maximum heights/limits: NA
Other regulations
Requirements from the Homeowners
Architectural style, roof shape, building type: Classic, either gable roof or hip roof
Basement, floors: basement included, either 2 floors or alternatively 1 floor with a very high knee wall (over 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in))?
Number and age of occupants: currently 2 around age 30, with 2 children planned
Space requirements for ground floor and upper floor: "should not be too small"
Office: family use / home office
Overnight guests per year: 4–6
Open or closed architecture: rather closed
Conservative or modern design: rather conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen is possible
Number of dining seats: 4–6
Fireplace: yes
Music/sound system wall: not planned
Balcony, roof terrace: terrace on the ground floor planned
Garage, carport: double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine, including reasons why something should or should not be included
House Design
Who designed the plan: do-it-yourself (based on a cousin’s house)
What do you particularly like? Why? spacious rooms and simply a very appealing layout in the cousin’s house
What do you not like? Why? possibly little light in the hallway on the ground floor?
Price estimate according to architect/planner: unknown
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 450,000
Preferred heating system: gas or air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, on which details/extensions?
- can you give up: so far none, otherwise we would have left them out already
- cannot give up: the rooms we designed
Why is the design the way it is now?
Standard design from the planner? Based on the south-facing orientation (living and dining/kitchen) of the cousin’s house
Which wishes were implemented by the architect? So far none
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad?
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
Is the minimal shift of the load-bearing wall possible? And have we oversized or undersized some rooms / hallway lighting issue?
Thank you very much for your suggestions. Please be straightforward and honest. We will consider and evaluate every comment.
We have not yet drawn a basement floor plan because we have no clear ideas on the layout of the desired rooms, and basically, it doesn’t matter to us. We will arrange it as simply as possible for technical and plumbing reasons. Proposed rooms: heating room, laundry room, guest room, pantry, small storage room with workbench. What else? Naturally, all rooms will have windows. Basement entry is planned on the north side from outside.
Additional note: the windows shown on the ground and upper floors are not final. I also think most of the windows might be too small to provide enough daylight in the rooms.
The plot is completely facing north (and so are the sketches).
Thank you,
Marie
I find that knee walls at 1.80 meters (5 ft 11 in) cause problems with windows. For double casement windows, there isn’t enough roof space; regular windows are too low.
Furnish the house properly to scale and consider what furniture you actually want. 3D renderings can look good, but then the table is too small, the sofa is doll-sized, etc. Especially your special features, like bookshelves, shoe collections, and oversized beds, need to be planned carefully. Is the room big enough for your hobbies?
You have planned everything very generously; it can be smaller without compromising quality of life. Some compromises on the house size will be necessary.
Does the zoning plan or building regulations really not specify any requirements?
With two full stories and a 25-degree roof pitch, you will have about 40 square meters (430 sq ft) with a ceiling height over 2 meters (6 ft 7 in). Keep that area in mind.
Furnish the house properly to scale and consider what furniture you actually want. 3D renderings can look good, but then the table is too small, the sofa is doll-sized, etc. Especially your special features, like bookshelves, shoe collections, and oversized beds, need to be planned carefully. Is the room big enough for your hobbies?
You have planned everything very generously; it can be smaller without compromising quality of life. Some compromises on the house size will be necessary.
Does the zoning plan or building regulations really not specify any requirements?
With two full stories and a 25-degree roof pitch, you will have about 40 square meters (430 sq ft) with a ceiling height over 2 meters (6 ft 7 in). Keep that area in mind.
kaho674 schrieb:
There might be some issues with the staircase and wall thickness during implementation. Without limiting the exterior dimensions, the house can simply be made deeper by the relevant wall thickness.
haydee schrieb:
3D models can look good, but then the table is too small, the sofa looks like it’s for dolls, etc. This is the general problem when a 3D presentation meets homeowners who lack a sense of scale (which is usually the case, because otherwise the demand for 3D would be much lower): with furniture that is too small, the presentation, despite its inaccuracy, appears as a “proof” that everything fits. The same applies to colors and textures in drawings: even things that don’t actually fit look “realistically” acceptable at first glance.
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Marie28 schrieb:
The sketch is actually drawn so that 2 squares represent 1 meter (1 square = 0.5 m (1.6 feet)). Sorry we didn’t add dimensions in technical drawing style. I think that’s clear enough. You’ve also considered the wall thicknesses (except for some interior walls).
Marie28 schrieb:
Anyone coming from a house with a basement doesn’t want to miss it anymore despite the significant additional cost. I see it differently: once you really think about what you actually need and for what purpose, you’ll gladly give it up. Also, you have to acknowledge that managing a household over multiple levels is more cumbersome than just one or two floors.
Marie28 schrieb:
The basement will house the relatively important guest room for us, Marie28 schrieb:
Guests per year: 4-6 I don’t quite understand that.
Why would a pull-out sofa be such a problem?
Marie28 schrieb:
Cool pantry Do you mean a refrigerator?
Marie28 schrieb:
Laundry room Utility room?
Marie28 schrieb:
Space for firewood, But not inside the house… it will rot there.
Marie28 schrieb:
and relatively inexpensive storage space. A basement is never cheap!
Marie28 schrieb:
I prefer a kitchen where the sun shines in during breakfast on Saturdays or Sundays rather than only evening sun. But you don’t get any morning sun there at all.
Marie28 schrieb:
Especially since it shouldn’t get too hot in the summer evenings during dinner compared to a southwest orientation? Uh... with those conditions, you’d be sitting out on the terrace.
kbt09 schrieb:
Why have a hobby room on the ground floor if the basement is also going to be added? Either because the room was spare or the cousin has it that way.
Marie28 schrieb:
So would you suggest 9 m (30 feet) width instead of 10 m (33 feet)? Without a site plan, you can’t judge that.
Marie28 schrieb:
It’s roughly 30 x 30 m (98 x 98 feet). Located on the edge of town and the road runs parallel along the southern boundary of the plot. That’s why the garage is in the southeast corner. Please upload it.
Basically, you shouldn’t build bigger than you need.
You don’t need a room that is only used 10 days a year. Such a room becomes neglected and dusty. By the third year, it’s where you store worn-out clothes.
You currently have the open room measuring 4.5 x 13 meters (15 x 43 feet). I would first reduce that by 3-4 meters (10-13 feet) to create a cozy space. It’s not pleasant if it’s long and narrow.
You also currently have 15 sqm (160 sq ft) of storage area plus a hobby room, which is essentially the same. I would see this as a negative point because it makes a basement unnecessary.
Even if you say you or your family won’t have to clean it, it will be a house with unused spaces.
If I were you, I would take a closer look at modern construction and living space concepts. Just because your cousin has a great house and your parents a great basement doesn’t mean you should copy them. You want to build your house that fits your needs.
If after some time you still decide you want a basement and so on, then build it. But what this thread reveals are old habits that have little place in this century.
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hampshire15 Dec 2019 00:00Although I generally like the design, as I have already mentioned, two comments made me pause:
1. The efficiency in the use of space – a lot of area is dedicated to circulation routes without really providing spaciousness or flexibility for the future (e.g., age-appropriate design / possible subdivision for rental purposes...).
2. The guest room in the basement – of course, the number of overnight guests can vary, especially if an au pair or exchange student is staying. In this case, there is at least a lack of natural light (or is there a light well?), and possibly also the lack of a nearby bathroom (I haven’t seen the basement).
1. The efficiency in the use of space – a lot of area is dedicated to circulation routes without really providing spaciousness or flexibility for the future (e.g., age-appropriate design / possible subdivision for rental purposes...).
2. The guest room in the basement – of course, the number of overnight guests can vary, especially if an au pair or exchange student is staying. In this case, there is at least a lack of natural light (or is there a light well?), and possibly also the lack of a nearby bathroom (I haven’t seen the basement).
hampshire schrieb:
1. The efficiency of space usage – A lot of area is needed for circulation routes without actually providing spaciousness or flexibility for the future (e.g., age-appropriate design / potential subdivision for rental...).Yes, the more I look at it, the more it reminds me of a Sims house.
Is the top of the plan exactly north, or is it north with a few degrees of deviation? As mentioned, a precise site plan would really help.
I’m not familiar with storing wood in the basement. Usually, a weather-protected wood storage stand is built outside.
I had asked before... what is the intended use of the hobby room on the ground floor? The home office is supposed to be upstairs, but I would actually prefer it on the ground floor, as it separates work from the children’s area and keeps you close to the coffee machine. The office is also quite generously sized at 15 m² (160 ft²).
@ypg ... I think the bathroom on the ground floor is very practical in terms of size and layout. As you said, though, it’s important to consider where a guest would sleep—
I’m not familiar with storing wood in the basement. Usually, a weather-protected wood storage stand is built outside.
I had asked before... what is the intended use of the hobby room on the ground floor? The home office is supposed to be upstairs, but I would actually prefer it on the ground floor, as it separates work from the children’s area and keeps you close to the coffee machine. The office is also quite generously sized at 15 m² (160 ft²).
@ypg ... I think the bathroom on the ground floor is very practical in terms of size and layout. As you said, though, it’s important to consider where a guest would sleep—
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