Hello everyone,
about a year ago, we started planning, but have now almost completely discarded and redone the house concept... Since our second child is on the way and our current apartment is too small, we need to speed things up... The plot is already secured. (Plot 5 top left).
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 954 m² (10,267 sq ft)
Slope: no (completely flat)
Floor area ratio/stories, etc.: all according to the development plan...
Homeowners’ requirements
- modern style
- no basement
- two adults + 2 babies
- adult and children's living areas should be separable later on (i.e., initially everyone sleeps upstairs, but when the children are older, we will move to the ground floor and the children will keep the upstairs)
- not many overnight guests
- open kitchen with island
- number of dining seats: 6–10
- space requirements: ground floor 132 m² (1,421 sq ft) and upper floor 113 m² (1,216 sq ft) (sounds like a lot, but there are some rooms intended as cellar substitutes)
House design
- designed by us but then drawn by architects
Positives:
- somewhat sheltered terrace (protected from views and wind)
- wall upstairs between foyer and hallway is optional (not built yet, possibly later to separate two living areas)
- parents’ and children’s areas can be separated later (parents on ground floor, children upstairs)
Negatives:
- large foyer upstairs
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures: 450,000 (excluding land)
Preferred heating system: gas or air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/features would you do without?
- Can give up: I already sacrificed my fireplace and the basement
- Can’t give up: terrace with southern exposure
Why is the design like it is now?
- It should be protected from views from the street (southeast) and from wind (west)
- The terrace should also not be visible from the street right away
Looking forward to your feedback and criticism.
Regards, Roland
about a year ago, we started planning, but have now almost completely discarded and redone the house concept... Since our second child is on the way and our current apartment is too small, we need to speed things up... The plot is already secured. (Plot 5 top left).
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 954 m² (10,267 sq ft)
Slope: no (completely flat)
Floor area ratio/stories, etc.: all according to the development plan...
Homeowners’ requirements
- modern style
- no basement
- two adults + 2 babies
- adult and children's living areas should be separable later on (i.e., initially everyone sleeps upstairs, but when the children are older, we will move to the ground floor and the children will keep the upstairs)
- not many overnight guests
- open kitchen with island
- number of dining seats: 6–10
- space requirements: ground floor 132 m² (1,421 sq ft) and upper floor 113 m² (1,216 sq ft) (sounds like a lot, but there are some rooms intended as cellar substitutes)
House design
- designed by us but then drawn by architects
Positives:
- somewhat sheltered terrace (protected from views and wind)
- wall upstairs between foyer and hallway is optional (not built yet, possibly later to separate two living areas)
- parents’ and children’s areas can be separated later (parents on ground floor, children upstairs)
Negatives:
- large foyer upstairs
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures: 450,000 (excluding land)
Preferred heating system: gas or air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/features would you do without?
- Can give up: I already sacrificed my fireplace and the basement
- Can’t give up: terrace with southern exposure
Why is the design like it is now?
- It should be protected from views from the street (southeast) and from wind (west)
- The terrace should also not be visible from the street right away
Looking forward to your feedback and criticism.
Regards, Roland
Steffen80 schrieb:
"Equipment: 450,000" is very unlikely to work with around 245 sqm (2,635 sq ft) and that architecture. Does it include the garage? I have to agree. We have 203 sqm (2,186 sq ft) of net living space plus a partially basement of 68 sqm (732 sq ft) including a 21 sqm (226 sq ft) hobby room, and a 56 sqm (603 sq ft) garage, and we are significantly over your planned budget.
You have quite a few offsets in your design, which make construction more expensive. So much for the topic of costs.
Regarding your plans: I basically like the style of your house from the exterior shape. Here are a few suggestions from my side.
At the entrance area, I would straighten the wall. But I assume the planner designed the wall at an angle because of the doors.
Is the bedroom on the ground floor intended for permanent use, or is it planned for later in life? If it is for permanent use, you might want to reconsider whether you really want direct access to the terrace. Because then your guests can look directly into your bedroom, which I would find disturbing.
I also don’t like the angled wall in the bathroom upstairs.
Generally, I prefer separate areas for parents and children. This way, you have the bathroom on one side and a child’s bedroom next to the master bedroom on the other. That would bother me.
Do both children’s rooms have to face south? I would have the planner try to organize the current storage area and the child 1’s bathroom, the master bedroom and possibly a walk-in closet, and move child 1 to the current bedroom.
Reduce the current bathroom and convert it into the storage room.
Steffen80 schrieb:
With an architect, you can generally add about 30% on top Add 30% on top of what – this statement?
Almost one-third deviation – and that even “upwards” – just by involving a specialist exactly for what they are intended – how does that work?
The house shown in the plans won’t be cheap for various reasons. But for a non-standard, custom house, that actually makes sense. The ground floor ceiling height is generous, the children's rooms are, for a change, not tiny cages, and in some areas, the construction standards are boldly exceeded.
The planned property seems clearly more extravagant than the budget, yes. But it would certainly become even more expensive without an architect.
I don’t like the design of the lower bedroom suite. That space could be perfect for a separate apartment or a granny flat (carriage house).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Steffen802 Jun 2017 17:2611ant schrieb:
On what - on this statement?
Almost a third deviation - and even “upwards” - just by involving a specialist exactly for what they are intended for - how is that possible?We have discussed this topic several times already... not because a house designed by an architect is inherently more expensive, but because it is usually built differently. With an architect, you don’t just have to select 3.5 doors or 2.5 roof tiles... generally, the whole market is available to you. Architects usually bring many good ideas during the planning phase, and all of that adds to the cost. However, this usually doesn’t bother the homeowners because it is a different “target group” than the typical general contractor client...
Steffen80 schrieb:
not because an architect-designed house is inherently more expensive, but because it is usually built "differently." [...] Architects generally have many good ideas during the planning phase, and all of that is what makes it more expensive. If those ideas are truly good, you ultimately get a nicer house for more money.
So, were you basically saying "a designer house is more expensive than a watertight shoebox"? — although a 30% price increase would actually be a bargain for that difference.
An architect doesn’t necessarily have to see themselves as an "artist" in the sense of a "creation à la Maitre de Cuisine." Most architects earn their living quite simply by designing and overseeing the construction of Mr. Müller’s house on Mr. Müller’s plot—and all within Mr. Müller’s budget.
The original poster apparently chose a type of model that builders commonly and somewhat dismissively call an "architect house." Such a project doesn’t get cheaper by skipping the architect (i.e., by letting the general contractor handle site supervision, turning the "butcher into a gardener"). You need an architect anyway for the building permit / planning permission, whether they’re paid transparently or their costs are included in the price.
And yes, clearly: such a "sculpture" will be lit with LED strips, tiled with high-end tiles, and even the guest bathroom will have a designer faucet. Finishing it with rental apartment quality fixtures would also reduce the overall value of the building. You wouldn’t put crank windows in a Panamera.
But this does not make the architect the main cost driver. Taste—which everyone may define differently—belongs to the client. And they know that the menu gets more expensive at the top.
Architects who try to impose their artistic vision on clients and talk them from a "basic coffee grinder" into a palace probably do exist. But I don’t believe anyone here has been forced against their will away from the "instant meal Bauhaus-style city villa."
As you yourself already said:
Steffen80 schrieb:
Generally, though, it doesn’t bother the clients because it’s a different "target group" than the classic general contractor client..https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
I’m also a bit surprised. Have you informed your architect of your budget expectations? After deducting fees, additional construction costs, fittings, etc., there are still 1200 €/m2 (about $130 per sq ft) left. That doesn’t align with the house; building a house at this price is almost impossible.
So, our architect is my father (he will also supervise the construction, etc.)...
Regarding costs: He estimated 400 € per cubic meter (about 450,000 €) ... The garage is additional (250 € per cubic meter): about 50,000 € (I had previously given the wrong figure).
So the total is 500,000 €, excluding kitchen and landscaping.
@11ant: Well, a "bedroom suite" of 16 square meters (about 172 square feet) isn’t very large... It will be used as an office for the first few years and only later as a bedroom when the children move out of the upper floor...
@Baufie: We designed the sloped wall in the entrance area so that we could still fit windows on both the left and right sides, bringing some light into the hallway.
The bedroom on the ground floor is intended only for the elderly years.
Yes, I’m not happy with the sloped wall in the upstairs bathroom either... An alternative could be a sloped wall in child’s room 1... The hallway also feels a bit too large to me... So far, we haven’t come up with a better solution...
Yes, we would also prefer to separate the parents’ and children’s areas. Although later, when the children are older, we plan to move down to the ground floor.
I would prefer the children’s rooms to face south rather than the bedroom (which only heats up)... We had the bedroom in this location before. But then the wardrobe had to be placed against the north wall, where we have a low ceiling height of 2.30 meters (7.5 feet) due to the pitched roof...
Regarding costs: He estimated 400 € per cubic meter (about 450,000 €) ... The garage is additional (250 € per cubic meter): about 50,000 € (I had previously given the wrong figure).
So the total is 500,000 €, excluding kitchen and landscaping.
@11ant: Well, a "bedroom suite" of 16 square meters (about 172 square feet) isn’t very large... It will be used as an office for the first few years and only later as a bedroom when the children move out of the upper floor...
@Baufie: We designed the sloped wall in the entrance area so that we could still fit windows on both the left and right sides, bringing some light into the hallway.
The bedroom on the ground floor is intended only for the elderly years.
Yes, I’m not happy with the sloped wall in the upstairs bathroom either... An alternative could be a sloped wall in child’s room 1... The hallway also feels a bit too large to me... So far, we haven’t come up with a better solution...
Yes, we would also prefer to separate the parents’ and children’s areas. Although later, when the children are older, we plan to move down to the ground floor.
I would prefer the children’s rooms to face south rather than the bedroom (which only heats up)... We had the bedroom in this location before. But then the wardrobe had to be placed against the north wall, where we have a low ceiling height of 2.30 meters (7.5 feet) due to the pitched roof...
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