Hello everyone,
about a year ago, we started planning, but have now almost completely discarded and redone the house concept... Since our second child is on the way and our current apartment is too small, we need to speed things up... The plot is already secured. (Plot 5 top left).
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 954 m² (10,267 sq ft)
Slope: no (completely flat)
Floor area ratio/stories, etc.: all according to the development plan...
Homeowners’ requirements
- modern style
- no basement
- two adults + 2 babies
- adult and children's living areas should be separable later on (i.e., initially everyone sleeps upstairs, but when the children are older, we will move to the ground floor and the children will keep the upstairs)
- not many overnight guests
- open kitchen with island
- number of dining seats: 6–10
- space requirements: ground floor 132 m² (1,421 sq ft) and upper floor 113 m² (1,216 sq ft) (sounds like a lot, but there are some rooms intended as cellar substitutes)
House design
- designed by us but then drawn by architects
Positives:
- somewhat sheltered terrace (protected from views and wind)
- wall upstairs between foyer and hallway is optional (not built yet, possibly later to separate two living areas)
- parents’ and children’s areas can be separated later (parents on ground floor, children upstairs)
Negatives:
- large foyer upstairs
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures: 450,000 (excluding land)
Preferred heating system: gas or air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/features would you do without?
- Can give up: I already sacrificed my fireplace and the basement
- Can’t give up: terrace with southern exposure
Why is the design like it is now?
- It should be protected from views from the street (southeast) and from wind (west)
- The terrace should also not be visible from the street right away
Looking forward to your feedback and criticism.
Regards, Roland
about a year ago, we started planning, but have now almost completely discarded and redone the house concept... Since our second child is on the way and our current apartment is too small, we need to speed things up... The plot is already secured. (Plot 5 top left).
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 954 m² (10,267 sq ft)
Slope: no (completely flat)
Floor area ratio/stories, etc.: all according to the development plan...
Homeowners’ requirements
- modern style
- no basement
- two adults + 2 babies
- adult and children's living areas should be separable later on (i.e., initially everyone sleeps upstairs, but when the children are older, we will move to the ground floor and the children will keep the upstairs)
- not many overnight guests
- open kitchen with island
- number of dining seats: 6–10
- space requirements: ground floor 132 m² (1,421 sq ft) and upper floor 113 m² (1,216 sq ft) (sounds like a lot, but there are some rooms intended as cellar substitutes)
House design
- designed by us but then drawn by architects
Positives:
- somewhat sheltered terrace (protected from views and wind)
- wall upstairs between foyer and hallway is optional (not built yet, possibly later to separate two living areas)
- parents’ and children’s areas can be separated later (parents on ground floor, children upstairs)
Negatives:
- large foyer upstairs
Personal budget limit for the house including fixtures: 450,000 (excluding land)
Preferred heating system: gas or air-to-water heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/features would you do without?
- Can give up: I already sacrificed my fireplace and the basement
- Can’t give up: terrace with southern exposure
Why is the design like it is now?
- It should be protected from views from the street (southeast) and from wind (west)
- The terrace should also not be visible from the street right away
Looking forward to your feedback and criticism.
Regards, Roland
Curly schrieb:
You have a storage area on the ground floor and first floor (utility room, pantry, etc.) totaling 38m² (410 sq ft), and your hallway on the first floor is 20m² (215 sq ft). Why not build a basement if you need that much storage space? Wouldn't that be more cost-effective?
Regards
Sabine We had actually assumed that a basement would be more expensive than above-ground storage rooms (if the plot of land is large enough)... but we have never had a proper cost calculation done...
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Steffen802 Jun 2017 10:40roland76 schrieb:
Yes, including the garage... The plot has already been purchased, as mentioned... I was hoping we could still manage (we are foregoing the basement, fireplace, complex roof – also, some rooms will remain unfinished for now, only used as storage or in place of a basement).I consider that unrealistic. No matter what your architect tells you, you should generally add at least 30% more on top of their estimate.
Our experience was roughly like this: At the initial consultation (2014), it was 1550 EUR per square meter (should have been 2000 EUR per square meter). During the planning phase, it gradually increased to 1650, then 1750... and finally 1800 EUR plus extras such as garage, fireplace, and about a thousand small additional costs. In the end, it was 225 square meters (about 2420 square feet) for approximately 470,000 EUR, still excluding fireplace, garage, kitchen, KNX system, controlled ventilation, and additional building costs (another roughly 170,000 EUR on top). In total, with higher-end finishes, it came to 640,000 EUR. Landscaping costs are extra as well.
Regards, Steffen
I completely agree with Steffen.
450k is definitely not enough for this house. When you build a house like this, you want more than just basic standard in terms of finishes and fittings. I would comfortably budget another 100-150k for that.
For comparison:
We are also currently building in Bavaria with an architect.
All in, we are at about 440k for roughly 180m² (1937 sq ft).
However, the outdoor areas include only the essentials, and instead of a garage, we have planned a simple double carport.
450k is definitely not enough for this house. When you build a house like this, you want more than just basic standard in terms of finishes and fittings. I would comfortably budget another 100-150k for that.
For comparison:
We are also currently building in Bavaria with an architect.
All in, we are at about 440k for roughly 180m² (1937 sq ft).
However, the outdoor areas include only the essentials, and instead of a garage, we have planned a simple double carport.
Normally, basement space is cheaper per square meter than above-ground living space. If I were planning that much storage area, I would have the cost compared with building a basement, especially since the value of the house would likely increase as well.
Best regards,
Sabine
Best regards,
Sabine
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Steffen802 Jun 2017 10:57Curly schrieb:
Usually, basement space is cheaper per square meter than above-ground living space. If I were planning that much storage space, I would have the costs compared with a basement option, especially since it could also increase the overall value of the house.
Best regards,
SabineIt depends. Storage space in the attic is cheaper than a basement. In our case, the choice was between a basement (waterproof concrete structure) or an attic plus a larger garage. The basement would have cost around 60,000 to 70,000 euros (or the equivalent currency). The insulated roof and the additional cost for the garage were maybe 20,000 to 30,000 euros (or the equivalent currency).
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