Hello everyone,
We are currently in the decision-making phase for the appliances for our future Schüller country-style kitchen, and we are still quite undecided, especially on this point.
Range hood:
Visually, a retro-style range hood would probably fit best. However, these are usually quite expensive (for example, from Smeg). At the moment, we have planned for an AEG X68163BV10. However, this does not seem to be the best option in this price range. Does anyone have suggestions?
Refrigerator:
For aesthetic reasons, we chose the Geronje ONRK193C. Is it any good? (It costs around 1,100 EUR — we will not buy this together with the kitchen.)
Oven:
For the oven, it was important to us that it has as little stainless steel as possible (we don’t like that) and includes a pyrolytic self-cleaning function. We narrowed it down to three models (Siemens, Bosch, and Neff). Among these, the following Siemens model was the favorite regarding price/performance: Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6.
Cooktop (Induction):
We are still uncertain here. Currently, the AEG HK6542H1FB cooktop is planned. However, this also doesn’t seem to be the best choice for the price. Perhaps you have better suggestions? But please nothing much more expensive.
Dishwasher:
For the dishwasher, a Neff GX665 (S52P65X0EU) was recommended to us. However, I have read online that models with zeolite technology are also popular right now. With Siemens/Bosch, there are many reports of problems (error code "E31") online... So we are also quite unsure here.
We are really looking forward to your help and tips.
Thank you very much!
Gatho
We are currently in the decision-making phase for the appliances for our future Schüller country-style kitchen, and we are still quite undecided, especially on this point.
Range hood:
Visually, a retro-style range hood would probably fit best. However, these are usually quite expensive (for example, from Smeg). At the moment, we have planned for an AEG X68163BV10. However, this does not seem to be the best option in this price range. Does anyone have suggestions?
Refrigerator:
For aesthetic reasons, we chose the Geronje ONRK193C. Is it any good? (It costs around 1,100 EUR — we will not buy this together with the kitchen.)
Oven:
For the oven, it was important to us that it has as little stainless steel as possible (we don’t like that) and includes a pyrolytic self-cleaning function. We narrowed it down to three models (Siemens, Bosch, and Neff). Among these, the following Siemens model was the favorite regarding price/performance: Siemens iQ700 HB678GBS6.
Cooktop (Induction):
We are still uncertain here. Currently, the AEG HK6542H1FB cooktop is planned. However, this also doesn’t seem to be the best choice for the price. Perhaps you have better suggestions? But please nothing much more expensive.
Dishwasher:
For the dishwasher, a Neff GX665 (S52P65X0EU) was recommended to us. However, I have read online that models with zeolite technology are also popular right now. With Siemens/Bosch, there are many reports of problems (error code "E31") online... So we are also quite unsure here.
We are really looking forward to your help and tips.
Thank you very much!
Gatho
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Sebastian7920 Jun 2016 15:11But unlike hand washing, it does.
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nordanney20 Jun 2016 15:45Gatho schrieb:
@nordanney
Strangely, the Bosch oven you mentioned (HBG676EB6) only appears on the Bosch Austria website. However, it doesn’t have a pyrolytic cleaning function!?
On the German site, I found the following Bosch model (black + pyrolytic cleaning): HBG675BB1, but it has fewer features. You didn’t search properly
Sebastian79 schrieb:
But unlike hand washing, it does I have often read this, but I find it hard to fully understand.
Of course, a dishwasher heats the water once and circulates it repeatedly, allowing it to clean a lot of dishes. However, I would assume that washing dishes in a sink with hot water and detergent, following the right order (starting with glasses and then progressively dirtier items), doesn’t consume more energy than the dishwasher—at least if done by someone experienced in household chores.
Of course, if someone fills the sink every time just to wash three plates and two cups, they will definitely use more resources.
I haven’t factored in the time saved or the reduction of general reluctance to wash dishes.
Also, considering that many people don’t put their pots and pans in the dishwasher and prefer to wash those by hand, I find the cost-saving argument even less convincing.
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Sebastian7920 Jun 2016 16:42What does a full machine use? 10-12 liters (2.6-3.2 gallons)? How much fits in your basin? How often do you have to change the water? Clear rinse? Constant temperature?
Putting aside the time saved entirely
Putting aside the time saved entirely
Over the past six years, I have had to equip three kitchens with appliances and have therefore spent a long time researching the topic. I have paid little attention to dishwashers, but what mattered to me was that they have a separate cutlery tray (which was for a long time exclusive to Miele), a quick wash program, and low water consumption. However, I cannot say how comparable the consumption values are.
For cooktops, the important points for me are:
1.) Simple, intuitive operation. If I need the user manual every time, the appliance is useless. Personally, I like the Twisted Pad from Neff, but that’s a matter of preference.
2.) If possible, sufficiently wide (preferably 80 or 90 cm (31 or 35 inches) instead of 60 cm (24 inches)).
3.) At least two burners with enough power. Entry-level models often only have one burner at 2.5 kW, with the others significantly weaker.
4.) Burner sizes: Pot detection can sometimes be a disadvantage, as my cooktop does not heat if the pot is too small or too large. So, make sure the cooktop matches the pots and pans you use.
5.) Scratches should not be an issue with modern cooktops. They use the same glass as ceramic cooktops and do not get as hot. Nothing is easier to maintain than an induction cooktop.
Regarding the oven:
1.) Avoid unnecessary gimmicks! A core temperature probe or humidity sensor is useful, but only if you actually use it. The same goes for all the remote control features.
2.) Pyrolytic cleaning is not for everyone, but if you don’t like cleaning your oven, it’s worth considering. However, it is an expensive feature and consumes a lot of electricity.
3.) The most important programs should be included (convection, top/bottom heat, grill, and if possible, all combinations like convection plus bottom heat for pizzas).
4.) Telescopic rails are not just a nice-to-have; in my opinion, they are essential, especially for wall ovens.
5.) Neff offers retractable doors. For ovens installed at waist height, this is a great convenience, especially for shorter people.
Refrigerators:
Here, in my opinion, the biggest differences lie. The things mentioned above are usually not very noticeable because appliances do not differ much. With refrigerators, there are bigger differences and more options. I have been somewhat disappointed with Gorenje and Samsung (in terms of build quality and noise). I find the value for money best with AEG/Bosch/Neff. The quality is very solid, they offer almost all imaginable features, and their appearance and feel range from good to very good. Liebherr is generally a notch better (especially in terms of material feel), but usually 30-40% more expensive. That’s a personal decision. Miele buys compressors from Liebherr, so the price difference compared to Liebherr is often not justified. Sometimes they are even offered at comparable prices.
An important question is whether you want an integrated freezer compartment or not. If you have a separate freezer, you should avoid a freezer compartment in the fridge. It takes up space and consumes significantly more electricity. Personally, I would never go without a 0-degree zone. It offers a real advantage because food stays fresh longer. However, this takes up space in the refrigerator, so you usually need to buy a slightly larger model compared to a conventional fridge. Regarding energy efficiency, you should pay attention. For refrigerators, A+++ is usually worth it, while for freezers, the payback time from A++ to A+++ is often 20 years or more.
For cooktops, the important points for me are:
1.) Simple, intuitive operation. If I need the user manual every time, the appliance is useless. Personally, I like the Twisted Pad from Neff, but that’s a matter of preference.
2.) If possible, sufficiently wide (preferably 80 or 90 cm (31 or 35 inches) instead of 60 cm (24 inches)).
3.) At least two burners with enough power. Entry-level models often only have one burner at 2.5 kW, with the others significantly weaker.
4.) Burner sizes: Pot detection can sometimes be a disadvantage, as my cooktop does not heat if the pot is too small or too large. So, make sure the cooktop matches the pots and pans you use.
5.) Scratches should not be an issue with modern cooktops. They use the same glass as ceramic cooktops and do not get as hot. Nothing is easier to maintain than an induction cooktop.
Regarding the oven:
1.) Avoid unnecessary gimmicks! A core temperature probe or humidity sensor is useful, but only if you actually use it. The same goes for all the remote control features.
2.) Pyrolytic cleaning is not for everyone, but if you don’t like cleaning your oven, it’s worth considering. However, it is an expensive feature and consumes a lot of electricity.
3.) The most important programs should be included (convection, top/bottom heat, grill, and if possible, all combinations like convection plus bottom heat for pizzas).
4.) Telescopic rails are not just a nice-to-have; in my opinion, they are essential, especially for wall ovens.
5.) Neff offers retractable doors. For ovens installed at waist height, this is a great convenience, especially for shorter people.
Refrigerators:
Here, in my opinion, the biggest differences lie. The things mentioned above are usually not very noticeable because appliances do not differ much. With refrigerators, there are bigger differences and more options. I have been somewhat disappointed with Gorenje and Samsung (in terms of build quality and noise). I find the value for money best with AEG/Bosch/Neff. The quality is very solid, they offer almost all imaginable features, and their appearance and feel range from good to very good. Liebherr is generally a notch better (especially in terms of material feel), but usually 30-40% more expensive. That’s a personal decision. Miele buys compressors from Liebherr, so the price difference compared to Liebherr is often not justified. Sometimes they are even offered at comparable prices.
An important question is whether you want an integrated freezer compartment or not. If you have a separate freezer, you should avoid a freezer compartment in the fridge. It takes up space and consumes significantly more electricity. Personally, I would never go without a 0-degree zone. It offers a real advantage because food stays fresh longer. However, this takes up space in the refrigerator, so you usually need to buy a slightly larger model compared to a conventional fridge. Regarding energy efficiency, you should pay attention. For refrigerators, A+++ is usually worth it, while for freezers, the payback time from A++ to A+++ is often 20 years or more.
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